From the Mae Brussell Archives,
compiled By Virginia McCullough

"I still believe in love, peace. I still believe in positive thinking....
and I consider my work won't be finished until I'm dead and buried, and I hope that's a long, long time."

     John Lennon in his final interview with
     disc jockey Dave Sholin - December 8, 1980

It has been twenty-five years since John Lennon was shot to death by David Mark Chapman outside the Dakota Apartments in New York City.  A memorial gathering will be held at Strawberry Fields in Central Park marked by two moments of silence at 10:50 p.m. when Lennon was shot five times and again at 11:15 p.m. when it is believed John Lennon died.

The last day of his life was filled with appointments.  There was a photo shoot of a naked Lennon snuggled next to his clothed wife Yoko Ono that was taken for a cover of Rolling Stone Magazine.  Yoko Ono and John Lennon had just released a new album they had produced with Jack Douglas.  It was entitled Double Fantasy and it marked John Lennon's return from five years of seclusion and introspection during which he enjoyed his wife and new son and reflected on his stunning rise to fame and fortune.  Entertainment capitals around the world were alive with wonder because it was as if John Lennon had never left the world stage.  There were rave reviews about his new musical release and after his death in 1982, Double Fantasy would win Grammy's aware for best album of the year.

It was this album that his killer handed to John Lennon asking for his autograph.  Lennon, gracious as always, signed it and handed in back to Chapman.  This album was later found on the ground at the murder scene as David Mark Chapman sat on the sidewalk nearby reading The Catcher in the Rye and waited for police to arrest him.  Chapman would later be quoted as saying, "The phony must die says The Catcher in the Rye."  Months after the murder Chapman would continue to pass out copies of this book from his prison cell.  And just last week four bidders met the half-million dollar asking price for the Double Fantasy album found on the bloody ground at the Dakota Apartments.
Six days after Lennon's murder Mae Brussell entered KLBR's studio in Carmel, California and put her feeling about John Lennon's tragic death on Tape #471, recorded December 14, 1980.  Mae Brussell's article Why was Martha Mitchell Kidnapped? about Watergate had just been published and the Queen of Conspiracy received a phone call from John Lennon and Yoko Ono who invited Mae and her family to meet them at the historic Stanford Court Hotel in San Francisco.  The famous duo and the lady from Carmel spent the day together sharing their common goal for a world of peace.

Mae Brussell told her listeners about how the Beatles affected her personally.

One was what the Beatles did for me personally, for Mae Brussell with five children ages one and a half to fourteen and the freedom that their lifestyle gave to me personally and helped me grow.  I wasn't a teenager.  I wasn't a runaway from home.  I was a married woman with five children but deeply moved by three influences in my life.  One, Virginia Wolff, the other Henry Miller, and the other the Beatles, the rock music scene, along with the Beatles.

The transcript of Mae Brussell's Tape #471 follows.

Compilation copyrighted
by Virginia McCullough © 12/8/05



TAPE 47, 12/14/80


Motives, Musicians murdered, Mark David Chapman’s Doubles? Collecting memories since 1964.

Good evening, this is Mae Brussell in Carmel, California. I am going to spend the next three weeks consecutively on John Lennon, the murder of John Lennon -- the cold blooded gangland slaying of John Lennon. I will talk this evening about his political and controversial life and the behavior that cost his life.  Next week I will talk about the methods to conceal political assassinations as applied specifically to John Lennon and similar patterns to other assassinations I have studied.  And finally I will make an appeal to people who are concerned and who care who have seen too many murders in their lifetime to get busy and find out who is doing these and what we can do about it.  I do want to begin this program with a record you have heard many times this week but I want it on the tape for this week called Imagine. (Record is played)


Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isn’t hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possessions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I’m a dreamer,
but I’m not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one

Last week on this program I asked some questions -- when the program began -- about 1981when Ronald Reagan and the team will move into the White House.  How will we remember 1980 and who will stop assassinations, and murders and genocide and torture?  And I had a long list of questions on a printed sheet that you can send for if you don’t have it.  People that subscribe to the tapes get it with the tapes. I also said that the assassination teams from the earlier sixties are all in place and the murders are moving up in power as Ronald Reagan takes over in the Senate in California and the Senate and the House and Committees in Washington, D.C.  Strom Thurman, the member of the Senate who wanted the Lennons deported in the seventies, early seventies, on the most flimsy charges, is now head of the Judiciary Committee.

Well, Sunday night I posed some questions for the end of this year and trouble spots in the world and listed them.  And twenty-four hours later John Lennon was dead and within two days that body of flesh, whatever it is, was cremated and delivered to Yoko Ono in a jar and what remains is what we remember, and what we do with it. The flesh is gone but the memories, of course, live on.  Our family was fortunate I suppose, of all the people listening tonight and who take the tapes.  Maybe we were one of the few that had the opportunity to meet the Lennons.  We spent the day with John and Yoko Lennon in San Francisco at the Stanford Court.  My first article Why Was Martha Mitchell Kidnapped about Watergate had just come out that week and they called immediately to Carmel and invited us to spend the day with them.

We were Beatles fans from the time he first came with the others to Ed Sullivan’s program, and we took our children to Candlestick Park.  We did not know it would be their last concert, but we took them, October 29, in 1966.  And, they left and went to Great Britain and that was the last time the group was seen together.  We also took all our children -- we had seven seats for every concert at the Monterey Pop summer of 69’, and they saw and heard people like Janis Joplin and Otis Redding and Jimi Hendrix and Mama Cass of the Mamas and Papas and others and the music has been very much a part of our family life through all of these turbulent years.  We enjoyed the music, we learned from it. It freed us from a lot of things and I have a lot of emotions of course about the Lennons and what happened this week that neatly ties up this era.

At one time they (the Lennons) considered renting our home in Carmel, California.  Yoko’s husband, Mr. Cox, had kidnapped her daughter and she was supposed to be, they believed, at Wood School in Carmel.  She was seen at Carmel Beach and they sent a friend of theirs who was with them when we visited down here to look at the house to see if they could use our home and live here and see if they could locate her daughter.  At the end of the summer the trail grew cold and they weren’t here any longer so there was no reason for them (the Lennons) to move to Carmel.

When the first issue of the Realist that introduced me to the Lennons, or the Lennons to us, was published, it had a cartoon that Paul Krassner had in there, Rose America’s Baby, and it was a take off of the American situation, the political situation at the time, in the summer of 1972.  And it is ironic to know that Rosemary’s Baby was actually filmed at the Dakota Apartments where the Lennons lived.  There are all kinds of ironies and situations that come to mind at a time like this.  When I heard John Lennon was shot, I had to deal with it this week in four different compartments in mind.  One was what the Beatles did for me personally, for Mae Brussell with five children ages one and a half to fourteen and the freedom that their lifestyle gave to me personally and helped me grow.  I wasn’t a teenager.  I wasn’t a runaway from home.  I was a married woman with five children but deeply moved by three influences in my life.  One, Virginia Wolff, the other Henry Miller, and other the Beatles, the rock music scene, along with the Beatles.

Then I thought of the relationship of the Lennons and having the opportunity to meet them and to know them personally.  And then I had to deal with my anger at them for taking five years off to find themselves -- to accumulate extreme wealth, to pull out, to take care of the baby, to find that inner self.  Because there were not five minutes or five hours or five days that I thought there was a luxury of doing that introspection.  I did that kind of thing when the family was asleep or I was through with my work or taking a hot bubble bath at night or going down to Big Sur or camping or whatever.  The road that we are going into, World War III, the inevitable atomic war that this government is building up for was so apparent and the murders were so apparent of people who spoke up for peace.  It was really a luxury to take this time out.  And while he (Lennon) was close to his child those five years trying to find himself and comes forward and says “yeah, I am emerging. I spent five years with my child”, I had five children and had to deal with the politics of the time and my children, as a researcher, as a writer, doing the radio shows, reading, studying, and still deal with a family.  And, then of course, you have to deal with the news media and the blatant lies they publish right after these kinds of murders.  And while I am not going into the evidence of the assassination this week, there is enough to tell you right now how the media is covering it and we will go more into this David Mark Chapman later this evening and in the next couple of weeks.  But we are have to deal with the news media, the brainwashing, the “lone nut” and the “single kook”, the easy story that people want to accept.

Yoko Ono wrote a poem in 1963, in the autumn of 63’.  She does not date it -- whether it began before John Kennedy was killed or after -- but it is called Collecting Peace and this is what she wrote.

Collect sounds in your mind that you have overheard through the week.
Repeat them in your mind in different orders one afternoon.

And thinking of that poem, and we have her collected poetry, I began to think of things that I had heard during the week that came to my mind -- John Lennon, Elvis Presley, Buddy Holly, Otis Redding, Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix, Janice Joplin, Jim Morrison, Dwaine Almond, Mama Cass Elliot, Graham Parsons, Mark Boland, Keith Moon, Paul Kasoff, Jim Reeves, Barry Oakley, Tim Buckley, Jim Croce, Richard Farina, Donald Rex Jackson, the manager for the Grateful Dead, Michael Jeffries the manager of Jimi Hendrix, Brian Epstein, the manager of the Beatles. Vinnie Taylor of the Sha Na Na, on the eve of a big concert they were going to.  Paul Williams, choreographer for the Temptations, Pamela Morrison the wife of Jim Morrison, Rod McKernan, Pig Pen, known as Pig Pen of the Grateful Dead. Phil Oaks, Sal Mineo, Meredith Hunter and the ritual killing at Altamont Festival.  I wrote a chapter for an article called Helter Skelter Give Me Shelter from the Beatles to Altamont. That was the concert where Melvin Belli, Jack Ruby’s attorney, who I mentioned off and on this program -- the attorney for Mussolini and Mrs. Hermann Goering -- hired the Hells Angels who did the ritual killing of Meredith Hunter before a camera to show the world that the peace lovers had a violent festival.  It was really the end of the authentic rock festival.  Steve Parsons, lead singer of the Children, Jimmy Reed. Ricky Valens, J.P. Richardson of the Big Border, Lenny Van Zant and Steve Gains of the Leonard Skinner Group, Sid Vicious who was singing anti-Nazis songs. John Bonam of the Led Zeppelin.

The nearly dead. The third mysterious man when Richard Pryor caught fire.  Bob Dylan’s near fatal crash on a motorcycle.  He survived.  It wasn’t like Richard Farina who did not survive, who died in Carmel Valley.  Stevie Wonder almost died.  Eric Clapton, the Dave Mason Band and the Weavers were nearly dead.  The FBI had documented plans to destroy their group and along with them the original murder of Lenny Bruce and others. Vonnie Morny, Larry Williams and Von Scott the lead singer of AC DC, the Australian rock group.  I am not talking about politicians, I am talking about musicians.

Some plane crashes, some automobile crashes.  Some “allegedly” overdoses.  Most of them on the eve of really big successes, bigger records with every reason to live.  Many of them anti-establishment.  Janis making fun of Port Arthur, Texas.  And Jimi Hendrix screaming on the guitar and telling the establishment to stick it and shove it.  There are all kinds of ways to die.  There are ways to skin a cat.  But, John Lennon’s death was cruel -- similar to John Kennedy --on the street, not overdosed like Elvis Presley whose doctor was almost charged with murder.  But gunned down like a dog as he was ready to emerge from his own private life.  And this broadcast also is for Bonnie Brussell, fourteen years old.  This is the first radio program of mine on that Sunday night since John Lennon was murdered, and it is the tenth anniversary of my own daughter’s murder -- along with many children and siblings of researchers and writers and politicians.  We paid our dues many times over, so Yoko, we know what sorrow is.  The dog that I got information about who arranged that accident here on the Monterey Peninsula is now under indictment for the wrong reasons in ABSCAM, but he will get off because he is one of the biggest fixers of the mob and with all the other murders he fits right into this picture.

So I know from brutal experience that these things stay a long time and they recur and they will recur until we decide that we have had enough.  I don’t know what your bottom line is -- who you have to see killed until you say “I am ready to fight back”.  But, at some time you are going to have to decide who it is that is going to be so off that you are going to stand up and get mad about it.

Mort Sahl wrote in his book Heartland about my expose of various murders, and he wrote “How many have to die before some Americans realize that murder is not a way of life?  Too many have lost America because they brought her their lust but could never love her”.  And then he criticized Hugh Hefner who attacked Mae Brussell, and he says “Mae Brussell, who is an assassination researcher, who pursues these murders selflessly.”  And he (Sahl) asks the question, “When are we going to stop this?”  Mort says “I started the battle early” -- that is when he started investigating the murder of John Kennedy.  “The enemy is not political in nature, it is insanity, which I combated”.  And he tells how hard it was for America to understand what is happening.  Mort Sahl asked a few years ago in that book, “Is it too late for America?  How many lives before you belong to the lies?  You cannot return to your lives, they don’t recognize you.  You are made different by the company, you keep.  Nixon reminds you of what you have become”.  That was written several years ago.

Life is a series of woven threads and you put them together and pieces fit together and patterns and designs.  And you get impressions of these fabrics depending on the colors and hues and the way they weave and the lives that weave in and out.  But social-change people like John Lennon and the Beatles or those others that I mentioned and listed who have died young at the prime of their careers and were making change, social change-- it is difficult.  It is hard to do.  Breaking those chains, knowing each other, loving each other, sharing each other. Sending the message that peace is possible.  That war is wrong. It is difficult to get into people’s mind.  They associate you with the enemy when you don’t want to fight or kill other people.  What is wrong with you?  Are you queer?  Are you a coward?  Are you a communist?  They don’t see that the only way to survive and enjoy anything in this world is through peace.  And people who want to make change are gunned down and brutally it came to all of us this week.

Carl Sandburg wrote a poem that is one of my favorites, Advice of a Father to a Son Nearing Manhood.  And he said “Life is hard. Be steel, be a rock”.  And that is true.  And then he said “Life is a soft loam; be gentle, go easy, And this too might serve him. Brutes have been gentled where lashes failed.”  And he referred to the way frail flowers come and shatter split rock.  I think of that often when I drive down Highway 1 or up on the hill where I live and see these poppies coming out of nowhere, out of rock and you now that it works.  And he advised in his poem to his son that he take time off and be alone often and get to know yourself, which is what Lennon was doing the last five years.  And Sandburg said “Don’t tell white lies and keep protective fronts. Tell him solitude is creative if he is strong" and that "The final decisions are made in silent rooms, Tell him to be different from other people”.  And this is what Lennon was saying.  “If it comes naturally and easy being different”, Carl Sandburg had advised, “Let him have lazy days seeking his deeper motives, Let him seek deep for where he is a born natural, Then  he may understand Shakespeare and the Wright Brothers and Pasteur, Pavlov, Michael Faraday and free imaginations, Bringing changes into a world resenting change."  And John Lennon exemplified that kind of a challenge to the world -- the Beatles, all of them.  I don’t want to single him out but he is the one who was killed.  And he was the one that took this kind of advice and went off by himself and came out optimistic and was emerging with a young son and a wife and recording and was gunned down in New York.

I wrote an article for a national magazine several years ago that they wanted on the killing of the rock musicians and on the government documents that show they were being harassed and suppressed.  And then the top boss of the magazine killed the story.  They paid me for it and I kept the rights.  And maybe I will rewrite it now with John Lennon’s name to the list.  But the managing editor of the magazine called me this week about a possible story on the murder of John Lennon.  So I sent them another resume of what I would put into the article and this is what I put in my resume.

These are the subjects that I would include.  It was to be a one page resume and what I would do if they want me to do it this time: 

The assassin Mark David Chapman was a tool identical to other political zombie murders.  Détente and peace are lethal words in a society that has been determined since 1919 to make war against the Soviet Union.  Rock music and musicians were becoming the largest social, cultural and political force for world peace.  Its energy, talent and enthusiasm was spreading around the world.  Operation CHAOS and other federal government programs were formed to disrupt, reject and eliminate the combined skills of too many.  They aid a good job.  Their project has worked until now because of inaction and apathy of both the victims’ families and their fans.  And the crimes are concealed by the mass media. Lennon’s murder today is being compared to John Kennedy’s.  The war in Southeast Asia escalated on November 24, 1963 with no known provocation. It was planned in advance for that date.  At the time that John Lennon was murdered, on November 8, 1980, the United States is on the brink of war in Poland and the Middle East.

My goals for this article would be four things:

First, the motive --the reasons for killing John Lennon.  And I listed four motives. 1) His antiwar capability of gathering us together again. His capability to do it one more time;  2) His antiestablishment attitude;  3) His anti-Christ statements he made years ago, and 4) His anti-macho perspective of life.  As against the Clint Eastwoods and John Waynes, he was a man who could be tender and take care of a child and get him prepared for life’ in the home in the milieu of loving parents -- bake his bread, write his songs, make love and be creative and work for peace.  And it is those things that the establishment can not tolerate.  Their motive as I say for killing him was the anti-Christ, his position on religion, antiwar, anti—establishment and anti-macho.

Secondly, I would compare Mark David Chapman to the other political killers. The smirk, the loner, the mysterious life, unemployed with money who traveled around continents to Beirut, Lebanon, Switzerland, London, South East Asia. The Jesus freak, the good boy, the anti-Lennon politics.

Thirdly, I would give documented proof that government agencies dislike the entire music culture, the rock musicians, the antiwar, anti—establishment gatherings and document the historical pattern set in Germany from 1922 to 1933 of similar murders systematically done to silence opponents of World War II.

Fourth. And then, the other artists that were wiped out.

That is the resume I sent to them.  If they want it this time I will write it for them.  If not, I may just sit down and put it into one book.  Mark David Chapman traveled all over the world as I say -- London, Switzerland, South East Asia.  He was in New York in October.  He was back again in November.  He traveled with weapons.  He is a mystery person and similar to all the other political assassins.  To give you an example of the kind of similarity that runs through all the other people that were picked up as suspects of the alleged assassinations such as Lee Harvey Oswald, James Earl Ray, Sirhan Sirhan, all had doubles, multi-names, alias, a lot of money, traveled to other continents, allegedly were loners, had a lot of friends but we were told that they did this one “act” alone out of some anger or particular frustration. In this case they are trying to say that he (Chapman) thought he was the Beatle and identified and killed the bad part of him.

There was a picture taken of John Lennon signing a record album with Mark David Chapman and when Lennon was killed the photographer called the New York Police and they refused to accept the picture.  They did not want it.  They said "Don’t bother."  Then his wife (Chapman’s) was told, according to the Los Angeles Times, on the telephone, don’t release any other pictures of Chapman.  Then in Miami, in Dade County they had a mix up on a computer.  And he (Chapman) used to live in Miami.  And the New York court said erroneously that he had a criminal record and the computer picked up the name of the fugitive, the last name, the date of birth, the race, the height, and the slaying suspect and it seems that there was another person down in Florida that fit all of this.  So there was mix up in the courts.  So that probably, obviously, was another Mark David Chapman.  And when he was arrested, I saw something on television which I have not seen since the stories when Lee Harvey Oswald was taken out of the theatre in Dallas, Texas.  They threw a coat over the Mark David Chapman as he went into the jail and you didn’t see the face of the person.  So the police department at first did not want any photographs.  They notified the wife -- don’t give pictures and they protected his face.

You have read recently in the newspaper about the missing Oswald.  Marina Oswald is 99% sure that the person in the grave isn’t Lee Harvey Oswald.  Next week we will go more into the physical evidence, the subterfuge, and the use of doubles.  But this is the same kind of hanky panky.  I am giving you one example tonight.  And I don’t want to dwell too much on it this evening – on the subterfuge in the Lennon case.  Why tell Mrs. Chapman not to release these pictures?  Maybe they weren’t going to bring this one in.  Maybe they had another zombie who would take the rap and be killed off, if somebody hadn’t taken that picture in front of the Dakota Apartments and given it to the New York Daily News or newspaper there.  Why did the Police refuse to accept the picture?  Why did they come out with the computer readout of identical information from Florida and then have to back track and apologize in the courts about a past record?

This Mark David Chapman did live in Florida.  And Oswald had doubles in Florida.  And I am working on a book that he had doubles here and they were withholding pictures.  They covered his head, Lee Harvey Oswald’s, as he was taken from the theatre when he was arrested after John Kennedy was killed in Dallas, Texas in November 1963.  He said in quotes “Why should I hide my face? I haven’t done anything to be ashamed of.”  And a coat was thrown over his face.  And later it did turn out that there were three other Lee Harvey Oswalds with identical faces.  So we still don’t know who was in the theatre because there is no photographic record of this person leaving the theatre.

Well, that is why the coat was thrown over this Chapman’s face.  They had a description exactly -- a computer readout in Florida.  He lived in Florida.  The police did not want the photograph taken on site.  Now you would think that the New York police squad, if they were not in on part of the subterfuge, would accept any pictures because may be there were other people in the background with him or somebody that drove him there.  But, it is this kind of subterfuge that runs through the assassination of John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, the shooting of George Wallace, and the mysteries of Chappaquiddick.  The political assassinations have a pattern that never fails.  It comes through at times like this.  And that is one reason that I am comparing the shooting of John Lennon to the shooting of John Kennedy.  Because there are these similarities that don’t wash away and they involve the FBI computer readouts or the police department and the subterfuge that those people investigating it should be working on.  But they cover up for whatever reason.  And the reason involves the assassins themselves, the people that send this guy Chapman halfway around the world, all the way around the world and back. And he ends up at the Dakota Apartments.

It is thirty minutes now for those who have the cassettes. We will turn those over. This is Mae Brussell and we will be back in one minute.

And psychiatrists and then media, the puppet media, and other experts pick up the lingo and pass along disinformation as facts.  And while this human being is turned into a patsy, monitored every second and isolated until his death, covert agents manufacture what are supposed to have been his motives for becoming the assassin.  The fictitious personality should be studied.  It is supposed to be the model of future assassinations.  And I mentioned then that Sirhan Sirhan, Charles Manson, John Frazier and others, if they were free to talk, it would shake American justice and conspiratorial processes to their very roots.  I went on the domino theory, that if you say that Lee Harvey Oswald was a loner or a misfit or rejected or unknown or wanted a place in history, then you could carry this same story on to the killing of Robert Kennedy or Martin Luther King or the murder at Chappaquiddick or the shooting of George Wallace in Maryland.  And I mentioned that the physical evidence to solve these crimes is put aside, criminology is put aside, and out comes the profile of the assassination that is a total diversion from the facts.

And in the next few weeks, I am going to outline ways that we can go into who killed John Lennon.  One of the chances or fluxes of history is that David Mark Chapman had offices across the street from the Scientologists in Hawaii.  The Scientologists are the most fervent investigators.  They made the original connections of J. Edgar Hoover to Interpol and to the Nazis and have published many articles on mind control.  And if this David Mark Chapman was at a mental hospital in Hawaii where Edmund Kemper and various other California assassins were sent and turned into killers, they will know it.  They will trace him out.  And while the death of John Lennon has only been less than one week ago, be sure that the Scientologists who knew this character on the island will go to every length they can to find out who paid his way to Lebanon, who paid his way to South East Asia, what organization he worked for, how he got to Switzerland, how he got in the Army camp at Arkansas with the Vietnamese.  And they will trace him.  But they are right in Hawaii and they knew him and as a flux of history, it may be that they will help put in the missing pieces of this terrible murder.

The Los Angeles Times and all the major newspapers run disgusting stories after these assassinations.  And, also in the next few weeks I will read you the headlines of some of the other political assassinations and then update you about what was really true, what the real truth was and how the media is used to brainwash everybody and put them to sleep and at rest to try to show that there is no violence per se in this country and these are just “loners”, out wanting to identify with their victims.  The Los Angeles Times had a story, John Lennon’s Death Didn’t Fit the Pattern.  They go into Elvis Presley, Janice Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Keith Moon, John Bonam and Robert Hill-Burns and say Lennon’s death did not fit “the pattern”.  What was the pattern?  Overdose of drugs?  Car accidents?  Plane crashes?  What was the pattern?

It may not have fit the pattern of Lenny Bruce being overdosed because he was very political talking about the Kennedy Assassination.  Or Dr. Krueger, the hypnotist giving Freddy Prince his gun and being with him and telling him to go home when he is “allegedly” depressed -- handing him the gun, and Freddy Prince is home playing the Zabruder films of the killing of John Kennedy and about to go to Florida to find out who killed Kennedy.  It did not fit the pattern of Otis Redding or Jim Croce and Leonard Skinner, the plane crashes, or Buddy Holly, but it fit “a” pattern.  And the Los Angeles Times does not go into the fact that John Lennon’s murder fit “a” pattern of Abraham Lincoln who was against slavery, or Mahatma Gandhi who was against material possessions that Lennon sings about in “Imagine”, and who was chasing imperialism out of India and escorting the British to the edge of the water and telling them to “scram”.

It fit the pattern of John Kennedy gunned down in Daley Plaza and it certainly fit “the” pattern of Malcolm X gunned down in New York City with the Red Squad and Tony Ulasewicz and all of the Watergate White House team behind that murder.  It fit the Martin Luther King assassination on a balcony gunned down in cold blood or the Robert Kennedy murder in the Ambassador Hotel or Representative Leo Ryan’s murder down in Jonestown.

Each one of these people was trying to make the world safer against slavery, against colonialism, for civil rights, and for the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, against organized crime, for prison reform.  Everyone of these was a social activist.  And you certainly have to know this if you played Lennon’s songs or had known John Lennon.  And particularly ever after the Beatle group broke up, there was the social activism and the concern and the Beatles, themselves, breaking all the establishment rules.  John Lennon’s anti-establishment attitude.  He did all the wrong things and succeeded.

In this country, you are supposed to go to Groton.  You are supposed to go to Harvard and Yale and Princeton and wear pointy black shoes with three button or two button coats and look and talk a certain way and get on Meet the Press and talk about indices and price indices and talk about the country in terms that nobody understands.  The Los Angeles Times said “for once rock-n-roll wasn’t to blame’.  John Lennon’s death didn’t fit “the pattern”.  I repeat.  It fit “the pattern” perfectly for what he believed in, and that is why people are so sad this week and meeting all over the world in genuine grief -- the same grief they felt when John Kennedy was murdered.

They did not cry for the flesh they lost.  They cry for the world they face without them and realize they had a friend and the friend is gone.  And we sit back and expect political leaders to do it for us, to do things for us.  The leaders cannot do it alone and certainly not when they are up front and they are gunned down.

So while he (Lennon) did not fit the pattern of the rock music, he fit the pattern of people who wanted change in the world as I listed them to you, and that is just a few names.  There are many, many more — Daj Hammarskjold and Adlai Stevenson.  And there were plane crashes and people falling out of windows.  But I am talking about men that were gunned down in public, in front of the people who loved them and came to admire them.  And his murder fit that pattern.

Next week. I am not going into the details now, but I am going to do the resume of another article. This is from the Chicago Tribune, this week.  It is another BS newsprint cover-up story -- The Four Faces of Lennon’s Killer. A Bizarre Psychiatric Portrait.  Well, where did James Younger come across it within six days?  How does he know about the tormented brain of Mark David Chapman?  I have seen crap for so long I want to puke.  But even he has to ask questions. But he doesn’t answer.  And it is the questions he asks that will give us the clue to find out what went behind this murder.

One interesting thing he says is that Mark David Chapman was “itching to wander” so he got a job as a YMCA student working in Beirut, Lebanon.  The man who wrote the “Exorcist”, his name was Blakely or Blakely, I was looking for that book tonight. (Editor's note: William Peter Blatty wrote “The Exorcist”, and while serving in the Air Force, was stationed in Beirut.)  I couldn’t find it on my shelf.  He was from the United States military, head of military intelligence and worked in Beirut, Lebanon and the CIA had a mind control center there.  So “itching to wander” at twenty doesn’t explain what Mark David Chapman was doing.  But I would venture to say that after he left Fort Worth and after he went to Florida and then went to Georgia and Tennessee, I would venture to say that his real initiation into mind control began in Beirut, Lebanon.  I am saying that this is only six days since John Lennon was murdered, but I will give you a little clue where to look for mind control. That is where the personality began to change, of this man who they say identified with Lennon but worked strictly with the Jesus freaks, the people that were against the Beatles, against the Lennons, that resented the remarks John Lennon had made.

I was upset about the Lennon shooting on Tuesday morning. I came into KLRB just to walk around and mainly get out of the house because the phone had been ringing since 11:00 at night.  And about 3:00 in the morning, I fell asleep and it started and I came into KLRB and one of the people that works here that I have known over the years right away said to me, “You know it was one lone person”.  Well, I would accept the fact that one lone person killed John Lennon after I investigate the facts.  But there is something I don’t understand and that is how people can solve a crime in twelve hours.  They must know a lot more than I know but they don’t have the library I have.  I have many, many books on operation mind control, the CIA involvement in mind control, the CIA telling people to kill themselves, the control of Candy Jones, how she came to California and took on two personalities and how she was told to murder herself on Paradise Island.  They say this boy shot Lennon because he was suicidal.  The CIA trains you to be suicidal.  You can be perfectly normal until they get their hands on you and then they teach you how to be suicidal.  You don’t shoot John Lennon because you are suicidal and you don’t travel across continents, go to New York and stay at $81.00-a-room hotels and go back to Hawaii and back to New York.  And it’s the thing that I really get upset about.  It doesn’t really matter.  I am going to do my work no matter what.  And there are some people that know what is going on in the world and there are some that never will.  But it just really blows my mind that thirteen hours after somebody as irreverent, anti-establishment, anti-war as John Lennon is, was, can be gunned down, there is the willingness of people to accept the fact the case is solved in twelve hours.  It happens over and over again.  I don’t understand it.  At least study how this fellow (Chapman) got to London, how he got to South East Asia.  What he was doing in Hawaii?  Even this great Chicago Tribune article doesn’t explain this.  They said they don’t know how he got to Hawaii?  Who met him there?  What was his wife doing there?  Is she an agent?  All these questions beg to be answered over and over and over again.  And it isn’t simple.  There are no simple answers.  And the fact that the world is grieving for John Lennon so badly means that he touched us.  And if he touched us that badly who else was he touching?  Whose shoes was he stepping on?  Because not everyone sees the world as you see it or Mae Brussell sees it.  A lot of people see it a different way.

I saw a Today Show this week about a man who wrote a book on atomic warfare.  Tom Brokow was interviewing him.  And he explained that atomic warfare is going to be a fact in the Reagan administration and that it does not matter if North America is wiped out because South America will continue to exist without the radiation.  And then Tom Brokow says “Well, that is not very nice” and suggests “Now we will turn back to Jane Pauley and today we are going to review Popeye and the woman who plays the part of Olive Oil is on.”  Cut to the next segment of the news.  Wouldn’t you just jump out of your chair if you were Tom Brokow and say “North America isn’t going to survive? I mean you telling me it is not important?”  Adolf Hitler said in his books, let us take all of South America or Africa or the Middle East because North America is run by the Jews and Liberals and they don’t count.  And years later, here is a man writing about atomic warfare and we are on the brink of atomic warfare.  The morning after John Lennon is murdered this dog is talking about the North American continent accepting the fact of radiation and it being a plausible thing.

When the elections were going on and the debates were going on, Jimmy Carter said and implied Reagan would get us into a war. And Reagan said “I am highly incensed.  This is the most terrible thing you have ever said”.  And here is a man in the Reagan administration, outright saying it upfront as if it is a fait accompli.  Would John Lennon have stood for that?  Would he have allowed his silence after those five years of tending a little boy, a child, and a seventeen-year-old son?  What forces would get together to stop World War III?  It wasn’t just what John Lennon or the Beatles did that was a threat to this government going into these treacherous times.  It is their potential that had to be wiped out.  It isn’t just what they said about peace and love and brotherhood in the past.  It is all there.  That is all there before, and people all over the world have mourned and will continue to mourn.  The point was that he was emerging and we don’t know what he would do.  Maybe he would continue buying four limousines, maybe eight.  Maybe he has the Vanderbilt estate in Florida, maybe he would buy the Whitney.  Maybe he wants all their estates and castles.  Maybe he wouldn’t do anything.  Maybe they would continue to collect fur coats. I don’t know what they would do.  But if there was a war and he didn’t want his boy to be bombed out or his family or the human race bombed out, all they would have to do, the four Beatles, is get on the phone and have a concert and peoples' awareness would be put together.

So the gangland slaying of this man was to wipe out his potential and that is important.  And as Carl Sandburg said, “Learn in silence and learn facts”.  And as he was emerging, he spent five years, and Lennon, you know. learned a lot in those five years.  The Bible is an interesting book and when you read the beginning of it you learn about the Garden of Eden.  Don’t forget the forbidden fruit.  I mention this many times on broadcasts.  The forbidden fruit is not nudity, or screwing around.  It was knowledge.  Be careful of knowledge because knowledge will kill you.  And in these terrible times the smart ones get off because they are the ones who have put this together -- that the fruit of the tree of the Garden of Eden was knowing.  The difference between good and evil, the tree, is the knowledge of good and evil. “Thou shalt not eat it for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die”.

I wonder sometimes if this wasn’t written to keep people from thinking.  Whoever wrote these sayings in the Bible wrote to keep you under their control.  This was a form of mind control to make you fearful to learn.  Because once you learn you can do things for yourself and you have life pretty much under control.  That is one of the things the Beatles and the sixties taught me.  I had a large home, a lot of help.  As I say, I had a big family and depended on a lot of people for ideas although I was learning all the time.

After Kennedy was killed, I began to figure out things myself.  I read contradictions in what the newspapers said as against what the Warren Commission published under sworn testimony of witnesses.  I began to learn I didn’t have to dress a certain way.  I didn’t have to get out certain kinds of shoes in the winter and put them away in the spring.  Your spectator pumps, your white shoes, your matching purses, red purse with red-shoes, blue shoes or blue purse.  I got rid of all the things I didn’t need in the sixties.  And I was very moved by the sixties. Even though I was forty at the time I got rid of the high heels and girdles and the stockings and jewelry and the beauty parlors and all the accouterments and all the junk and began to make my own things or my gifts and my own entertaining in my own way and realize that there were layers of lies that they put on you.  It sells good.  It is great Madison Avenue but you don’t have to keep buying hose that run and all that crap and coats that match and accessories that match.  It was a period when the Beatles came with their clothes and joie de vivre that I enjoyed.

I wasn’t brought up in a strict home, but it was a fairly conservative home, freer than most actually, but there was a spirit and of course I took the kids to see the movies, particularly Diane.  She was my youngest.  The others could go off to the movies on their own.  So we saw Help twenty times and Hard Days Night twenty times and she dressed like Ringo.  She had this suit with a lot of red in it so she had to have red shoes and red socks and a red shirt.  And one day I came home and her pony tails were cut off, her pigtails, because she wanted to be like the Beatles.  She had long pretty hair but she wanted to be like Ringo.  And we lost Ringo.  She used to call him “Yingo” up at Saddle Mountain Ranch up here.  And he was really a rubber Ringo that used to move around and she lost him in a sand box.  And we had to go back and weeks later go through all this sand and find Ringo.  And we had the music, we had the music of all those others I mentioned and went to see Bob Dylan up at San Jose.

So personally it made a big change in my life – in who I began to see, how I began to think --how I could feel or express myself through the music of the time and along with the research that I was doing on the political assassinations.  I had this other part of me that was interested always in the music of the times and personally it was really hard.  Hard to remember how much they touched me until this week.  And these songs would come on and each song would remind me personally of something I was doing at the time it came out.  Let It Be was written on May the 8th 1970, on the birthday of one of my sons.  I remember where I was when I heard Hey Jude.  I was coming up and camping at Big Sur, and I was up near Rio Road up here in Carmel when I heard Hey Jude the first time.  And I associate so many of their songs.  I have a few favorites but it was an era and it didn’t end.  It was continuous.  John, when he took his years out, was still there -- there was enough good stuff to listen to.  He didn’t have to keep pumping music out.  He was doing his thing.

The real tragedy, one of the real tragedies, is that they didn’t know the political animal.  They were busy pulling back and retrenching and analyzing themselves, and as I say, not simultaneously knowing politics.  In the new Playboy article that came out dated January 1981, the one that is on the stands now, Yoko and John have an interview and Yoko Ono said, “The law is not a mystery to me anymore. Politicians are not a mystery to me. I am not scared of all that establishment anymore”.  You wouldn’t go in a nest of rattlesnakes and say that.  You wouldn’t go into a place where wild lions are.  And just because John Mitchell went to jail and came out, he didn’t soften his hatred of them or their potential.  Neither did Strom Thurman or Richard Nixon or Kissinger or Brezezinski or the red necks or the Jesus freaks who did not like that saying.  I knew immediately that this guy (Chapman) was influenced by that remark Lennon made about Jesus.  (Editor's note: On March 4, 1966 John Lennon said, "Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue with that; I'm right and I will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first - rock 'n' roll or Christianity. Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me.")  And sure enough, it turned out he carried that around with him, I was told.  But that was so long ago you wouldn’t kill Lennon for that.  That is what somebody old me this week.  I said “Oh, no!  You get somebody who makes a remark like that way back in the sixties or early seventies, this was in the sixties, and it would trigger a mind control program for somebody who wanted to get rid of them if they (the Beatles and John Lennon) ever emerged and emerging they were.

So this has been a very sad week.  Yoko and John’s innocence was to say that “Politicians are not a mystery” and “I am not scared of the establishment anymore”.  And if there is one thing I leave with you this evening, it is that as long as these killings are unsolved, the politicians are a mystery to you and me.  As long as they get away with it, they are a mystery.  You can’t sit back and say a Beatle’s fan killed a Beatle. You can’t say Lee Harvey Oswald wanted a place in history so he killed John Kennedy.  It wasn’t that way at all.  He was working with George DeMohrenschildt, a known war criminal, a Nazi during World War II, who had high contacts in the military establishment.  These are not “loners”.  They are well-financed.  They are well-traveled.  They are well-placed and they know how to hurt us and as long as their mentality exists they will continue to hurt us and that is the tragedy.

Now I am going to close this evening with a song I want them to play here of John Lennon’s -- Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas, the War is Over, and next week we will do part II on the cold-blooded murder of John Lennon.

                       Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas, the War is Over
So this is  Christmas
And what have you done
Another year over
And a new one just begun
And so this is Christmas
I hope you have fun
The near and the dear ones
The old and the young

A very merry Christmas
And a happy New Year
Let's hope it's a good one
Without any fear

And so this is Christmas War is over
For weak and for strong If you want it
For rich and the poor ones War is over
The world is so wrong Now
And so Happy Christmas War is over
For black and for white If you want it
For yellow and red ones War is over
Let's stop all the fight Now

A very merry Christmas
And a happy New Year
Let's hope it's a good one
Without any fear

And so this is Christmas War is over
And what have we done If you want it
Another year over War is over
And a new one just begun Now
And so Happy Christmas War is over
I hope you have fun If you want it
The near and the dear one War is over
The old and the young Now

A very merry Christmas
And a happy New Year
Let's hope it's a good one
Without any fear

War is over if you want it
War is over now

(Photo, John Lennon signing autograph for Mark Chapman.  John Lennon and Yoko Ono left the Dakota building six hours before his murder.  There, on the street, Mark Chapman had Lennon’s Double Fantasy album in his hand, and asked for an autograph. "John, will you sign this?" and John said "Sure, no problem".  And he signed it with Mark's pen.  After he had signed it, he asked Mark "Is that all you want?" and then he asked it again, "Is that all you want?" and Mark replied, "Yes, thank you John."  Then John and Yoko drove away in a limo.)

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by Virginia McCullough © 12/8/05