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My unpopular theory was that the government did a very bad thing for a very good reason. In a nutshell, my theory is that Koresh and a few other Davidians had a WMD and the will to use it making it necessary for the military to be involved and leading to the nasty conclusion and cover-up. Military involvement at Waco included:

The Secretary of Defense The Joint Chiefs of Staff The U.S. Army Chemical Biological Defense Command The Joint Task Force (JTF-6) The Special Operations Command, Combat Action Group (CAG) Green Berets, Delta Force The British SAS The Texas National Guard The Alabama National Guard

Add to that the FBI and CIA - and the only incidents we know of with even a fraction of these assets assigned involved chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction. Oh well, like I said, my theory is very unpopular because it doesn't find evil intent on the part of the government...

WE MUST EITHER FIND A WAY TO SET UP NON-GOVERNMENTAL INDESTIGATIVE BODIES WHOSE FINDINGS ARE TREATED WITH THE SAME PUBLIC REGARD AS "OFFICIAL GOVERNMENTAL INVESTIGATIONS" OR WE MUST ABANDON ALL HOPE THAT JUSTICE AND TRUTH EXIST IN AMERICAN GOVERNMENT AT ALL!

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined; by those who are behind the scenes." Benjamin Disraeli, Prime Minister, England 1844

"From the days of Spartacus Wieskoff(?), Karl Marx, Trotsky, Bella Kuhn(?), Rosen Luxemborg(?) and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy..." -- Now who used that word, that the media laughs about all the time and pooh-poohs all the time? Listen to this: Winston Churchill used the word "conspiracy". He says, "...this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite, recognizable role in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now, at last, this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hairs of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire." Winston Churchill 1922

Supreme Court justices, Felix Frankfurter, said, "The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scene." John Hyland(?), mayor of New York in 1825, said, "The real menace to our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus has spread its slimy legs over our cities, states, and nation." I could go on. Franklin Delano Roosevelt -- now there's many, many quotes in here. I'll end with Franklin Delano Roosevelt. He said, in a letter to Colonel E. Mandell House in 1933 -- and this is in the [National] Archives, this letter to E. Mandell House -- he says, "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the United States since the days of Andrew Jackson."

TED, ARE PRESIDENT BUSH AND HIS SON GEORGE W. CHILD ABUSERS? The women and children you care about so much, need to know!

Click. NewsMakingNews calls on Ted to post to the world his data about child abuse perpetrated by President Bush and George W. Bush.

Click. Ted's latest article on the CIA's Assassination Teams, his promotion of his ideas about MKUltra, abused women and their use for blackmail in high positions of power. And more of Ted's latest postings and Web sites.

I have just read several things at your site concerning Ted Gunderson. The cat is out of the bag in the Art Bell case--that was no innocent mistake on Gunderson's part. His conspiracy finessed their operational planning to the extent of planning deniability on the basis that the Ted Shackley hate group affiliate radio station broadcasts without a time delay. That level of attention to detail denotes a government grade operator. No way could Gunderson fail to investigate the claim against Bell and mistake Bell the
father for the son, as claimed, or indictment against the perp who was convicted versus against the son no matter what the confusion.

What Gunderson has done in a number of instances is generate a reasonable doubt smoke-screen to allow an individual or group to escape prosecution or opposition. In addition to taking out Art Bell, Gunderson helps to generate confusion which covers for
pedophiles in high places. He places a disinfo stumbling block before anyone who has credible allegations of homosexual exploitation by either George Bush, for instance.

Again with relation to OKC bombing Gunderson blows smoke for Ted Shackley's militia extremist cut-outs by coming in with an OKC alt bomb theory. No wonder Partin refused to appear with Gunderson--mercury fulminate cutter charges were
removed from the building and that is well documented by witnesses and police radio transcripts.

Gunderson's OKC bomb diversion was generated with the help of Michael Riconosciuto. All of Riconosciuto's antics have a common theme of helping to generate a quasi-religious belief in CIA omnipresence, omniscience, omnipotence.
Whether this spectre is used to intimidate potential actors or to attract them to expose themselves by seeking better evil technology from a sting op or simply to divert attention from the real covert means and apparatus, Riconosciuto's plywood tanks are a real asset to the real ops. By creating value that way Riconosciuto is bartering for his release.

Some of Riconisciuto's CIA omnipresence omniscience omnipotence illusions include exaggeration of PROMIS, OKC pineapple bomb in contradiction of mercury fulminate cutter charge evidence, cryptosporidium theory of AIDS to cover for the planned AZT
holocaust when in 1987 MD Anderson reported ddc and ddi worked better than AZT and AZT is a DNA-blocker, Area 51 ET and DNA smoke for Aurora.

The pineapple directional bomb blast sounds like Arlen Specter's single bullet theory of the JFK assassination. Too many witnesses saw OKC bombers in the building and dud mercury fulminate cutter charges were removed after the blast.

Saudi Boy's top links:
druggingamerica.com copvcia.com dcia.com madcowprod.com JFK narconews.com

WILL TED GUNDERSON PROVE HIS ALLEGATIONS THAT BUSH, SR, AND BUSH JR. WERE INVOLVED IN CHILD ABUSE, AND IMPACT THIS ELECTION, IMPACT HISTORY, AND SAVE THE CHILDREN?
(Why don't you post it! We're ready to publish it. Wasn't it some story out of Australia? How much can you handle, Ted?)

GUNDERSON'S 6/29/00 NOTICE (Click to read.) POSTED ON THE WORLD WIDE WEB: Gunderson explains the Satanic hits on him, the surveillance, the wiretaps, the frame-ups, the thickest CIA file ever, which is about Ted, and then asks the most pressing question:

1. Is Rusty Nelson going to be eliminated to prevent the exposure of child abuse involving George Bush, Sr., and George Bush, Jr., and possible connections between the Franklin case and the Iran-Contra Drugs-for-Arms Operation, either of which if made public could impede the election of George Bush, Jr. as President of the United States?

ANTHONY HILDER - GUNDERSON'S MAIN SPONSOR: Click.

GUNDERSON'S CONTINUED INTEREST IN MKULTRA. HIS PROMOTION OF BRICE TAYLOR. Click. Excerpt: "On video, Brice Taylor tells how she was conditioned through trauma in order to be MIND CONTROLLED AND USED BY TOP GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS and many of the ELITE of the world. Her shocking story will give you insight into the horrendous crimes inflicted on American citizens. If you care about HUMANITY, OUR FREEDOM AND OUR PLANET, you won't miss this vital information shared by this truly courageous woman."

NEWSMAKINGNEWS: JUDGE D. LOWELL JENSEN'S SEXIST RACIST STUPID HATE RULING IS THROWN OUT! PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE COPS PROTECT THEM FROM MURDERERS!

Case Study: Appeals Court Reinstates Macias Lawsuit by © 2000
From the July 27-August 2, 2000 issue of the Sonoma County Independent.
© Metro Publishing Inc. http://www.metroactive.com/sonoma/usualsuspects-0030.html

SUPPORTERS of a $15 million lawsuit against the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department by the family of a woman slain on the streets of El Verano in a domestic violence dispute are claiming victory after a federal court last week reinstated the case. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals decision on July 20 sent the landmark wrongful-death lawsuit back to the U.S. District Court. The family of Teresa Macias now can resume its claim that the Sheriff's Department failed to provide equal protection to the woman after she tried to have her husband, Avelino, arrested for stalking.

For more than a year, Macias had repeatedly sought help from the Sheriff's Department to protect her from Avelino, who she alleged had abused her and her three children. Her diary and public records indicate that Macias called deputies at least 14 times in the last three months of her life, having obtained a restraining order that was subsequently misplaced by deputies.

In 1996, Avelino shot and killed his estranged wife, wounded his mother-in-law, and then committed suicide.

Macias' murder sparked the ire of women's rights groups and prompted a state probe of the way in which the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department and District Attorney's Office handled domestic violence cases. The agencies eventually announced numerous reforms in their practices and policies.

"This victory is of national significance," says Rick Selzer, attorney for the Macias family. "It notifies law enforcement all across the country that they must take their responsibility for victims of violence against women very seriously."

Victims' rights advocate Marie De Santis of Santa Rosa agrees: "This decision now establishes a woman's constitutional right to hold law enforcement agencies legally accountable for their failure to respond to domestic violence complaints. That's huge--that wasn't true before this ruling."

Federal District Judge Lowell Jensen last year tossed out the lawsuit, saying that citizens do not have a constitutional right to expect law enforcement to prevent their murder. The 9th Circuit Court ruled that Jensen erred when he dismissed the case. The new ruling states, "There is a constitutional right . . . to have police services administered in a nondiscriminatory manner--a right that is violated when a state actor denies such protection to disfavored persons."

THE LAWSUIT claims that the Sheriff's Department discriminated against Macias and denied her equal protection under the law by failing to take reports, ignoring evidence, discouraging her from calling again, and other actions.

The Sheriff's Department never arrested Avelino, even though it had a written policy to do so in these types of cases. The lawsuit further states that the Sheriff's Department's indifference to Macias' plight emboldened Avelino in his escalating pattern of stalking, threats, and intimidation, placing Macias and her children at greater risk.

The lawsuit maintains that the Sheriff's Department's disregard for Macias' endangerment reflected a departmental policy and custom of discrimination against women, against victims of domestic violence, and against Latinos. The suit alleges that this denial of Macias' 14th amendment right to equal protection under the law led directly to her murder.

LOCKERBIE NEWS!
60 Minutes backs its story that Iranian defector Ahmad Behbahni was involved with Iranians in Pam Am 103 bombing.
MEBO partner Erwin Meister testifies. (The sales of timers to STASI and to Libya. Meister's meeting with one of the defendants. A glimpse into the arms trade.) Click.

Where is Rombauer's and Frank's permit to operate a wine warehouse for so many other wineries?

No Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents appeared at the scene of the burning of alleged $40 million dollars worth of fine wines and champagnes at the old Kornell warehouse this week. Instead Koerner Rombauer and Rich Frank, the owners hired a private "mechanical engineer" to investigate.

First there is the old stone winery. It is secure, and the site of the storage of the only remaining reserve champagne of Hanns Kornell Champagne Cellars. This is the building everyone tours. The balance, including the mysterious "Larkmead Room" re-created by Rombauer, are off limits.

The next building, which can be accessed by vestibule through firewalls even beyond the stone is the "annex." This is the site where the modern bottling line and stainless steel tanks are located. There were also 1,500 oak barrels in this area that were removed by forklift and were not heat damaged or fire damaged. Things were moved out timely, while the fire was smoldering. The huge stainless tanks are loaded with wine (the volume of which would likely add hundreds of thousands of gallons to what is on premises and adds to that disclosed as already in cases by Rombauer). The electricity is separately controlled, and separately controlled from that servicing the warehouse. This building is a one-story (tall) building. The electricity stayed on, and the stainless continued to keep the wines in this area cool. Next is a very thick firewall.

The second story is fully reinforced with thick floors to accommodate forklifts and the sheer weight of boxed wine inventory (some 50,000 to 60,000 cases on an approximately 21,000 square foot floor (the lower floor adds another 21,000 square feet). There is a huge freight elevator upon which the forklifts are moved up and down with pallets upon which boxes of wine rest (stacked about four boxes by four boxes, have forgotten but will check and count).

On the first floor of the warehouse is an equipment storage room, also with thick walls. The floors are cement. In the equipment storage room is a hot water heater (not a boiler); just a conventional hot water heater-- it is not close to the wall nor is the pilot close to the wall. There was no explosion. Yet Rombauer's statements would lead one to believe the fire started in this area from a "boiler" and moved up the walls to the second floor. In fact, hot water is used to clean the barrels and facilities, but from portable machines that operate off electrical sources. Rombauer took a picture of one of these machines to the Planning Commission meeting in May through August 1997 to show how the use of these steam cleaners for barrels and tanks, etc. saves on the consumption/use of water.

The lower floor contained finished, bottled, boxed wines in cases, labeled and on pallets. This wine was removed when smoke and fire was moving through walls. No blow outs ever occurred in this area. This is the area from which an estimated 30,000 cases of wine were removed.

When the fire burned, it was smoldering, and the heat and smoke went up and out the top windows and vents. The heat and smoke did not "go down" therefore there were no serious problems in the first floor area. The metal roof which was installed just a month before caused the fire to "smolder" rather than to flame out, as it could not get the necessary oxygen to rage. It is exactly as the press reported--like a haystack fire, smoldering inside and emitting a great deal of white smoke.

The reason the building was so large was to accommodate "riddling racks" used in the production of champagne, and for the storage of cased goods of the Kornells'. These racks did not extend in height very high, as "riddling" is the process of manually turning by 1/4 turn each champagne bottle. Yet the building was built with high ceilings in warehouse fashion for the flexibility of storing more case goods for the Kornells as necessary in their business (case sales would vary, depending largely on available grape supplies, so some years crops are heavy, others they are light, and the volume could swing by more than 20,000 cases/year for their operations based on this factor). They were assured adequate storage because of this.

Rombauer absolutely "maxed out" every square inch of the building with boxed cased goods (known as representing "OPM" or "other people's money"). When the firefighters were able to get into the second floor, they literally couldn't get in to handle the fire because the entire area was filled with the boxes of wine ... stacked up to the ceiling, on pallets, three pallets high.

NONE OF THIS WAS PERMITTED ACTIVITY AS IT RELATES TO UNKNOWN INVENTORY. Note that wine is processed and aged two years before release, so if you read that a winery produces 4,000 cases/year, then double that as to volume that would be on hand likely until an August "bottling up." Then comes harvest, and in comes more. The larger wineries are bottling much of the year--in intervals.

1,500 barrels were removed to cooler areas from the auxiliary building housing the stainless and bottling line. 3,000 barrels remained without any negative effects in the old stone winery. These 5,400 barrels were not hardly Rombauer wines. The planning commission permitted up to 12 alternating proprietors as of August 1997. These were small wine producers.

Also, Napa Cellars IS an operation owned by Frank and Rombauer. Rombauer Vineyards is owned by Rombauer. In the past, both of these facilities were able to accommodate their needs by warehousing wines at public wine warehouses. The idea was that because Rombauer and Frank owned these two other operations, they were going to periodically store their own finished products at the warehouse; other than that, only the alternating proprietors producing 600 cases to 1,500 cases were going to have cased goods there.

Could the ATF have issued a warehousing license by mistake? In "Press Democrat" articles it is repeated that Frank-Rombauer lost 70,000 cases of THEIR wine, whereas The Napa Register indicates there were 60,000 cases there owned by other people. Richard Frank clearly lied to the Press Democrat in his interview that all of their wines are sold retail by them at the location.

There were several operating wineries of others listed, such as Elyse in Napa. Names may have been scrambled. Mura might have been "Luna" or Paradon might have been "Paradigm". In the past, both have filed fictitious business name statements for what was supposed to be "custom bottling" of their wines ONLY (with immediate shipping to a licensed warehouse). V. Sattui Winery, was reported by the press as having stored sparkling wines at the warehouse.

In striking contrast to the assertions of Rombauer in the press, that HE lost 70,000 cases of HIS wine, and given the above, you will find this St. Helena Star note (printed below as Footnote 1) is most interesting. WHERE IS THE BATF? The known statistics indicate that Frank-Rombauer would have had the equivalency of 8,000 cases, with 4,000 of it still in barrels, stainless or oak that didn't get consumed in the fire. Wine retail prices are $20 for the Kornell Champagne produced by the Frank group at Chanterelle Restaurant in Napa per their wine list which is posted on-line. It costs $22.75 retail at the tasting room. Of course Frank-Rombauer wholesale a lot of cases. There are still Hanns Kornell Champagne Cellars reserves on the list. This wine, they did not wholesale out, and since it holds with aging, they continue to sell it at the cellars. The Hanns Kornell reserves are reportedly "in limited supply, but stored in racks." The riddling racks are in the stone winery. Rombauer had taken the riddling racks out of the warehouse years ago. Frank-Rombauer are selling the Blanc de Blanc, Blanc de Noir, Reserve and Rouge. All cost $24.75/bottle, except the Reserve which is $27.75 bottle retail at the cellars.

Kornell champagne production is approximately 12,000 cases annually and Frank-Rombauer Cellars still wine varietals such as Cabernet Sauvignon, Chardonnay, Sangiovese, Merlot and Zinfandel are produced in small lots totaling approximately 4,000 cases. Duane Dappen is the winemaker. Tasting room hours are daily 10 a.m. to 5 p.m.