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Yes, there is a group formed in the CIA about which there was an article printed recently (I'll see if I can dig it up). There is also an NSA group, and is also a group as Los Alamos labs.

Of course, in the FBI, we used to control the whole thing under Hoover/Tolson, but it never did much good in advancing our rights, because they were more of the mentality of the Log Cabin Club or the ex-gays: I.e., so successfully brainwashed by enemy propaganda that they became their own enemies- arguably one of the most pitiful possible states of the human psyche.

I don't know quite what to make of new visibility in CIA/NSA/Los Alamos. It would seem to me that the CIA and NSA are culturally not all that different than the DOD, which obviously has a widespread attitude problem, with which they are just barely starting to deal.

Call it cynical, but one cannot help but imagine that the groups might be somewhat in the same vein as Gen. Collin Powell- window dressing, useful for propaganda value. Perhaps a way to try to cover secret sins, like the infection of hepatitis vaccines given to gay men in 1970s government-sponsored experiments, that precipitated the U.S. outbreak of AIDS.

Perhaps it means that CIA/NSA realize that they can't possibly screen out all gays, no matter how hard they try, so it is better for security if the ones that are there are at least not going to get enraged over persecution and bigotry.

It might also be a means to lure them into feeling "welcome", so they will identify themselves, and therefore can be watched more easily. Probably, open gays will be watched extra carefully, as will Chinese-Americans.

I noticed that Los Alamos, post-"Wen Ho Lee" gave an award of some kind (I forget what) to another Chinese-American scientist. I suspect that it is the same kind of propagandistic posturing: not wanting any remaining Chinese employees to feel a target of hostility, and thereby risking a loosening of their loyalty. Of course, maybe it is also a touch of guilt or embarrassment.

We should not take at face value and trust easily. When gays have the equivalent of 1964 Civil Rights bill protections in jobs and housing, like Christians, Jews, African-American and Chinese-Americans all take for granted today, perhaps then it would be a time for less cynical interpretation of such gestures.

Tom Keske Boston, Mass.


From Progressive Review / Undernews 8/21/00 
Tip from Ronn D at FutureSource
LOS ANGELES I .... {Reporters At Risk}


Los Angeles police have been accused of targeting journalists when they clear crowds of protesters from the streets, and at least a few reporters have ended up in jail or in
hospitals as a result. Journalists have been arrested and assaulted in a number of episodes during the Democratic National Convention in Los Angeles this week, in what seems to be a growing trend during protests at large political events. The Los Angeles incidents come on the heels of two reporters' arrests during the Republican National Convention in Philadelphia two weeks ago.

Journalists covering protests in Los Angeles on Monday night, the first night of the Democratic convention, suddenly found themselves being hit by rubber bullets and charged by officers on horseback. The Associated Press reported that when police started moving in on protesters leaving a free concert, the journalists started "separating themselves from the main body of fleeing concert goers and waving credentials."

A Houston Chronicle reporter was knocked over a barricade by a mounted police officer. According to a Chronicle editor who was on the phone with her at the time, she was waving credentials and begging police to let her inside the security fence when an officer on horseback collided with a group of people she was with. She sought help for a cut knee, but was instead ordered to run. Six different officers refused her pleas for help finding First Aid, according to the editor.

A reporter for Hearst Newspapers wearing a press ID and DNC credentials was
reportedly clubbed by a police officer during the same incident. The Chronicle and Hearst have also sent written protests to the city over the police behavior.

A number of reporters and photographers were hit with rubber bullets fired by police, which left large welts on their skin.

Reporters for the Chicago Tribune and The Associated Press were arrested Tuesday night while covering a bicycle-based protest designed to "promote bicycling as a way to relieve traffic congestion and pollution."

Tribune reporter Flynn McRoberts was arrested with protesters in the bicycling event were traveling through downtown streets with police escorts. He was held for eight hours before being released. Editors in Chicago, who had lost communication with McRoberts while he was phoning in a story during the protest, called a special media hot line set up for the convention when McRoberts did not call back. Hot line attorneys worked with police to secure his release.

McRoberts was cited for "reckless driving" of a bicycle, although the charge was modified to "obstructing a public way" after prosecutors found that the recklessness charge cannot apply to bicycles. His rented bicycle is still being held by police as evidence.

Associated Press broadcast reporter Brian Bland also was arrested, and his reporting equipment and bicycle were confiscated. The AP is protesting the arrest.

Police spokesman Commander David Kalish said that the two reporters were arrested because they were doing the same things that the protesters were doing.

The media hot line was set up by the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press and manned by Gary Bostwick and other attorneys from Davis Wright Tremaine in Los Angeles.

The American Civil Liberties Union on Wednesday said it intended to file a federal lawsuit against the police department for deliberately attacking members of the media during the Monday confrontations, according to Los Angeles Daily News and AP reports.

At a protest against police brutality, a Cable News Network sound technician was hospitalized after being struck in the chest by a police baton during a scuffle between police officers and protesters.

According to a broadcast report and a story on, a CNN photographer had dropped his cellular telephone during the standoff. After a police officer retrieved the phone, the unnamed CNN sound technician leaned forward to take the phone from the officer. When leaning forward, she reportedly was "jabbed" in the stomach with a baton by another police officer. After being struck by the officer, she was taken to Glendale Memorial Hospital, where she was diagnosed with bruised and contused ribs and then released, according to

Interviewed later on CNN's "Larry King Live," police spokesman Kalish said, "We apologize for [the incident] but, unfortunately, that's what happens in these types of situations when journalists are integrated in a violent situation."

Although there were no known reports of journalists being assaulted two weeks earlier in Philadelphia, at least two reporters were arrested while covering protests or interviewing protesters.

A reporter for an online news service was arrested during protests. He called the Reporters Committee hot line, and attorney Samuel Klein of the law firm Dechert worked to secure his release.

A Reuters reporter was also detained after police stopped a van carrying 19 demonstrators whom the reporter was chronicling, according to a Washington Post account. He was reportedly released later without being charged.


LA TIMES: The Los Angeles Police Department calls them "scouts," and they are so good at their job that, during this week's protests, some were shot at and others were arrested--by their own colleagues. The LAPD undercover officers assigned to join the crowds of demonstrators drawn by the Democratic National Convention are a young, purposefully ragtag group that has blended easily and invisibly into the sea of young faces protesting downtown. Throughout the week, they have provided a key element in the Police Department's intelligence-gathering network, as they circulated unnoticed within crowds across the city. They mingle with different groups of protesters, relaying information back to intelligence officers working at several LAPD command posts.  . . . LAPD officials deny that undercover officers provoke incidents . . . The LAPD has a particularly long and pungent history of spying on political dissenters dating to the "Red Squad" of the 1930s that regularly broke up union and leftist meetings, hustling
protesters to jail. Then, in the late 1970s and 1980s, it was learned that officers from the department's Public Disorder Intelligence Division had infiltrated left-wing groups and that others had spied on local politicians and critics of the Police Department. Shortly after the controversial revelations about the division in the 1980s, the department replaced it with the Anti-Terrorist Division and settled a lawsuit by agreeing to strict limits on its activities. Four years ago, however, the civilian Police
Commission, which oversees the department's management, relaxed many of the
rules governing undercover operations

Labor expected to pass new Army powers 8/17/00

Students are calling on the Labor Party to reject a bill giving the Army the power to shoot citizens during times of civil unrest.

The Government wants the bill enacted in time for two big events next month: the Sydney Olympics and the World Economic Forum in Melbourne.

It would also give the Commonwealth new powers to call out the military in civilian emergencies.

The House of Representatives has already passed the bill and Labor is expected to pass it in the Senate, with some amendments, as a Senate committee recommended.

The state premiers have opposed the plan, saying it takes away their rights.

Greens Senator Bob Brown has issued a dissenting report saying the bill will allow the Commonwealth to call out troops without state permission or consultation.

Shadow Defence Minister Stephen Martin says several outstanding issues have been resolved and it is likely the bill will be passed in time for the Games.

"We believe the way in which ministers can have the power to act as part has been clarified," Mr Martin said.

But Dom Rowe from the National Union of Students believes the proposed army powers are unneccessary as police should be able to handle the protests.

"If they keep cool heads about it, they should be able to cope with any of the situations that occur," Mr Rowe said.

"As soon as you start allowing coercive force, as is required by this new bill, you are basically going to be exploding the situation and making it a lot more difficult and troublesome than it otherwise would be."

Comments by Spiritual Piglet © 2000 (Surfing the Apocalpyse at )
I sure hope that this is not an impending expectation we in America have to look forward to.   unfortunately, past recent history has shown that it is coming our way soon enough.  will Americans stand for this? If Elian is any indication, yes they will, if they are even aware about it. Before the world went insane, Governments would never have hosted events that threatened "civil unrest." Australia has hardly experienced "civil unrest" since the Eureka Stockade during the gold rush over a century ago. But of course this is a cover to take us one step closer to totalitarian government under the New World Order. --P).