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WACO - THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION THEORY.
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The 5/28/00 Washington Post story by Richard Leiby starts with the writer apparently getting a call from the police at Ghigliotti's office where he is dead. It appears to me that the police hit redial on his phone to see the recipient of his last call!

If indeed Ghigliotti's last call was to a reporter at the Washington Post, I suggest this from Hardy's last conversions with him is extremely important (emphasis mine:)

NewsMax.com 4/30/00 David Hardy ".......I said I'd heard statements like that -- the truth about Waco could not be explored, for fear of violence, but discarded them as agency excuses. ..... Carlos said no -- the fear is real, and it's not poppycock. The truth is really that grim. The Committee had not yet figured out how to reveal the truth without running this risk, and until it did, it had to disavow his work and sit on the other information. Much of the data was in the hands of certain key reporters (a few of whom he named), and they were sitting on it for the same reason. But it would come out in time......"

THE WACO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION (WMD) THEORY

The basic theory, shown by the blue commentary, is this: Koresh and a few insiders had developed a weapon of mass destruction (WMD) and had the method and will to use it. The heavy, urgent military involvement from Nov/Dec 92 forward suggests a real and present threat to national security. The obvious events of Apr 19, 93 coupled with known exhaustive efforts to conceal every trace of military involvement suggests that in the end, it was a military mop-up, utterly eliminating the "enemy" and all material, with the added twist of removing all evidence of military involvement, concealing the true purpose and therefore all culpability of the highest level decision makers.

Originally, I thought the National Security threat was probably fabricated to keep the silence and coerce the grunts into doing something they would otherwise loathe. I now suspect the threat was real and present. My opinion changed when I started building the timelines and could see more clearly the building weight and urgency of military support, the stunning effort to cover-up evidence, and recently, the very peculiar activity in the civil case concerning the Judge, the attorneys, the survivors, various witnesses and plaintiffs. And then I read the Wilcher report which contained a number of assertions that strangely fit the theory extremely well.

 

MILITARY INVOLVEMENT IS THE KEY TO THIS THEORY:

In all the research I’ve seen on Free Republic and in many hours of searching through Internet resources, I have yet to uncover any BATF (or FBI) action which has received the magnitude or level of military involvement that we see in Waco:

The Secretary of Defense
The Joint Chiefs of Staff
The U.S. Army Chemical Biological Defense Command
The Joint Task Force (JTF-6)
The Special Operations Command, Combat Action Group (CAG) Green Berets, Delta Force
The British SAS
The Texas National Guard
The Alabama National Guard


And on the intelligence side, both the CIA and the FBI.

The search found some incidents of BATF requests for military training but nothing with a similar military involvement in BATF enforcement of domestic firearm laws, and certainly nothing that would reach all the way up to the Joint Chiefs and the Secretary of Defense.

Military involvement only appeared where there were potentially dangerous biologicals and chemicals – but even so, not one of them is comparable to Waco in depth or magnitude:

Byers – ATF served a search warrant, found tons of some identifiable and some unidentifiable chemicals. Army Corps of Engineers were on site to make sure everything remained stable.

Bell – In an IRS raid, dozens of containers were found in his garage containing volatile solvents, explosives ingredients, sodium cyanide, nitric acid, and diisopropyl fluorophosphate--one of several ingredients that, if properly mixed, form nerve gas.

Ellison/Miles – Federal agents found 33 gallons of cyanide in a raid of The Covenant, The Sword and Arm of the Lord compound. (80 members)

Harris/Leavitt – FBI arrested two men under suspicion of possession of biological agents. Military and FBI officials tested the suspected toxin at Nellis Air Force Base

Lavy – arrested on an Arkansas farm where 30 federal agents along with US Army biological warfare experts retrieved 130 grams of ricin.

It appears whatever was at Waco was much more dangerous than any of these.

In my view, the heavy military involvement which was so meticulously concealed – therefore points strongly to a high quality biochem - possibly military in origin, possibly stolen.

 

Emphasis shown in red.

00 XXX 1976 to Waco Seige - Bill Buford ATF chief in Little Rock

31 JAN 1985 Koresh in Israel where he started having visions

While in Israel, Koresh began having "visions" and developed his interpretation of end times prophecies. After leaving Israel, Koresh recruited followers from various countries. He seized leadership control of the Davidians and Mt Carmel in a shootout with Roden. Koresh’s version of end time prophecy had himself and the Davidians in the center of an earthly, imminent, violent judgment:

http://answers.org/CultsAndReligions/koresh.html The Feds Meet Self-styled "God's Anointed Avenger" By Gretchen Passantino 1992. "…...From 1986 - 1991 he [Koresh] recruited new members in Canada, Hawaii, California, England, and Australia…… Distinctive teachings of the Branch Davidians include that Howell is Jesus Christ, that they will be God's instruments to implement God's final judgment ……. He identifies himself with Elijah, who used God's power to defeat the false prophets of Baal at biblical Israel's Mount Carmel. He identifies with David, the king who subdued the enemies of God through warfare. He takes his last name, Koresh, a designation of the Persian king Cyrus, because he believes he, like Cyrus, is anointed by God to re-establish the true faith by destroying the ungodly. Most importantly, he identifies himself with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, especially as Christ is described in Revelation 5, 10, and 18 -- the avenging Son of God who will destroy all the unrighteous with his heavenly army. One of his favorite self-descriptions is from Isaiah 11:4 -- "He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth, and with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked." Taking the language of Isaiah 63 and Revelation 18, he believes the "Day of Vengeance" has come, and he is the executioner. …... "

03 NOV 1987 To settle the BD leadership dispute w/Koresh, Roden dug up a man dead 25 years, put the casket in the chapel, and said that whoever could raise this man from the dead was the one to lead the Davidians; Koresh reported the action to the Sheriff's Department but was told his word was not enough, so he went out to take pictures of the body; Roden caught them, there was a gunfight; Koresh and seven other Davidians were charged with attempted murder .

00 XXX 1988 (forward) 40 foreign nationals from Jamaica, United Kingdom, Israel, Australia, and New Zealand entered the US and used the address of the Mt. Carmel as their point of contact; most of the foreign nationals overstayed their entry permits or visas

00 MAY 1992 Lieutenant Gene Barber, McLennan County Sheriff’s Department, Waco Texas received information from UPS employee Gilbreath; though he had made deliveries there for years, Gilbreath became concerned when he would stop at Mag-Bag to make a delivery, a phone call would be made to Mt Carmel and he would be instructed to go there, but when he got to Mt Carmel, he saw several manned observation posts and believed the observers to be armed; two cases of inert hand grenades and a quantity of black gunpowder were delivered by Gilbreath to Mag-Bag; payment was in cash

Wilcher had information that Koresh was a CIA operative, a sleeper agent that was accidentally triggered. I don’t know if that is true, but I do believe Koresh developed or had the contacts necessary to carry out the visions he had in Israel and became obsessed to actualize them. I believe some of the illegal immigrants may have possessed critical knowledge which may account for the British SAS being involved in the siege.

At Mt Carmel, Koresh’s unconventional style of living, his taking of so many "wives," his preparations for warfare all tend to confirm his true belief in his visions and his determination to make it so.

I believe Koresh was already under investigation by intelligence and/or military, either national or international, when the firearms investigation of Koresh began on a tip from a UPS delivery man to the local sheriff’s department. The BATF was brought in without knowing about the other investigators and BATF began processing the case in a normal fashion.

Clinton was running for president, he had a long term friend in the Little Rock BATF (Buford) and had 4 bodyguards who would later enter Mt Carmel with Buford as BATF agents. All five would be shot, 4 execution style, but Buford would survive.

04 JUN 1992 Davy Aguilera BAFT Special Agent met with Barber

08 JUN 1992 Aguilera interviewed Dave Kaupert, Olympic Arms Inc; Glen Deruiter, Manager, Sarco Inc.; Cynthia Aleo, Owner/Manager, Nasard Gun Parts

07 JUL 1992 ATF Agents Jimmy Ray Skinner and Davy Aguilera visited McMahon (Koresh associate) - while there, McMahon called Koresh; Koresh invited the agents out to inspect what he had but they declined

00 NOV 1992 Clinton Elected; ATF agents discussed the need for military support with Lt Col Walker, the ATF’s Defense Department liaison.

00 DEC 1992 BATF Director Stephen Higgins said there was no probable cause to obtain a warrant; ATF agents requested CQB training by US Army Special Forces (after incident Treasury investigation does not refer to the request); US Attorney Johnston said the ATF had discussed capturing Koresh outside the compound and then searching inside but "inexplicably" the plans shifted to a "big paramilitary" raid.....

I believe that shortly after Clinton was elected, the other investigation(s) of Koresh became known to the BATF. It was probably described as national security and few details were offered, but the military had to become involved. The BATF has been used to shutdown operations for other agencies, so it would be natural for them to be the "front" for eliminating a civilian threat of this nature where the military or intelligence - cannot operate in the open:

Ahwatukee Foothill News 1997 Phoenix, AZ about Byers "……In October 1997, the ATF and Maricopa County Sheriffs Deputies served a search warrant on his ranch on 27th Avenue in New River, where they found tons of some identifiable and some unidentifiable chemicals. Some were blown up immediately, but authorities were nervous about moving some of the other volatile explosives and decided instead to burn them. …..…..The ATF then began quietly hauling truckloads of the munitions away from the ranch. Residents around the ranch were not notified or evacuated when the removal began….. Bettendorf said Army Corps of Engineer members have been on site 24-hours a day in New River since October to make sure all remains stable…….. Byers claimed that he was being harassed by the federal government because of his past involvement with the CIA……"

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/971117/17weap.htm "… Four weeks later, on a Monday morning in March, IRS officials encountered a terrible nose-burning stench as they arrived at their building in Vancouver, the Portland suburb where Bell lived. Investigators traced the smell to a welcome mat dosed with propanethiol. The chemical is used by utilities in minuscule concentrations to give natural gas its noticeable smell. "It's Bell," Gordon told his boss. "I'm sure of it." Bell had attempted twice to buy propanethiol from a chemical-supply company in Milwaukee, Gordon then learned. Worried that the stink bomb was a trial run for something much worse, on April 1, authorities raided Bell's home. They seized five computers and three semiautomatic assault rifles, then opened his garage door. Before them stood dozens of containers filled with chemicals. There were volatile solvents, explosives ingredients, sodium cyanide, nitric acid, and diisopropyl fluorophosphate--one of several ingredients that, if properly mixed, form nerve gas--all in a residential neighborhood. "The level and type of chemicals were extremely unusual," said Leroy Loiselle, who managed the cleanup for the Environmental Protection Agency. "You don't need nitric acid to keep aphids off your flowers." ……… On Bell's computers, Gordon found two other items: the names and home addresses of over 100 public officials--IRS employees, FBI agents, local police officers--and a 169-page document, The Terrorist's Handbook, with detailed instructions for making chemical weapons and high explosives. Bell's friends told investigators that he had tried using green beans to make botulin toxin, which causes botulism, and that he claimed to have successfully made sarin, the nerve gas used by Japanese cultists in their 1995 attack on the Tokyo subway…."

http://www.nga.org/Pubs/IssueBriefs/1997/970202terrorism.asp Natural Resources Policy Studies Division 2/2/97 "……Perhaps the most well-known case of chemical terrorism occurred on March 20, 1995, when the Aum Shinrikyo cult released sarin gas in the Tokyo subway system. Although the Tokyo attack was not carried out as effectively as planned, 12 people died and 5,500 people were sent to area hospitals for treatment. As disturbing as the attack is the fact that the cult made the gas. The Aum Shinrikyo cult obtained the capability to produce sarin in 1993 and began manufacturing it in 1994. The cult may have planned other attacks. However, in September 1996, acting on a tip from a cult follower, Tokyo police recovered a bottle containing about an ounce of the liquid nerve gas VX—enough gas to kill about 15,000 people.³ …………Biological agents, though exotic, may be the easiest, most insidious NBC weapon to make or obtain.. ….. In a 1992 report, the congressional Office of Technology Assessment stated that "second-year or third-year medical or microbiology students would have enough laboratory experience to prepare an agent with minimal danger to themselves."⁴ This assertion proved prophetic. In December 1995, army veteran and "survivalist" Thomas Lewis Lavy was arrested on an Arkansas farm where thirty federal agents, along with U.S. Army biological warfare experts, retrieved 130 grams of ricin—enough to kill 30,000 people. Ricin, a derivative of the castor bean, is one of the most dangerous known toxins. Agents also seized from Lavy three books that detailed how to make ricin and distribute the poison, as well as a supply of castor beans. ….."

http://www.splcenter.org/cgi-bin/goframe.pl?refname=/intelligenceproject/ip-4a1.html In 1985, "…Federal agents found 33 gallons of cyanide when they invaded The Covenant, The Sword and Arm of the Lord compound in northwestern Arkansas in 1985. CSA leader James Ellison said he and extremist Bob Miles had discussed poisoning municipal water supplies. Four members of the Minnesota Patriots Council were convicted in 1995 of conspiracy to use the deadly toxin ricin to kill federal agents and law enforcement officers. …."

http://www.examiner.com/daily/0220anthrax.html Cleveland Plain Dealer Michael Sangiacomo "…… One of the men arrested by the FBI near Las Vegas on a charge of possessing a lethal biological agent has been warning since 1995 that Americans face the threat of a bacteriological attack -- from Iraq or even the U.S. government. …….Harris and William Leavitt, who owns biology laboratories in Logandale, Nev., and Frankfurt, Germany, were charged Thursday with conspiracy to possess a biological agent for use as a weapon. …….. The FBI said one of the suspects bragged in Las Vegas that he had enough to wipe out the city and last year laid out a plan to unleash bubonic plague on New York City subways in a massacre that would ruin the economy, surprise the military and be blamed on the Iraqis…….. Harris, identified by the FBI as a member of the white-supremacist Aryan Nations, was previously given 18 months' probation after pleading guilty to illegally obtaining bubonic plague bacteria through the mail in 1995. Last year he pleaded guilty to one count of wire fraud for claiming that he was buying the pathogens for a laboratory where he worked. He was ordered to stop telling people that he works for the CIA. ……. Aryan Nations founder Richard Butler said Thursday that Harris joined the group in the early 1990s and left in 1995. ……. Carl Raschke, a University of Denver professor and expert on domestic terrorists and cult groups, said Harris was saying on the Internet last summer that the federal government would create a bio-terrorism incident and then blame it on Iraq. Raschke monitors such Internet activity daily. ……In a 1996 interview on "The Intelligence Report," a shortwave radio program produced by Wolverine Productions, Harris talked at length about how to reconstitute dehydrated anthrax and bubonic plague bacteria and distribute them in major U.S. cities through the exhaust systems of cars and airplanes. ……According to Neff, Harris described how someone could create a deadly broth from the anthrax culture, put it in a pressurized paint sprayer and then spread the deadly germs from a low-flying airplane -- killing at least 100,000 people and still be undetectable. ...... According to an FBI affidavit made public Thursday regarding the arrests of Harris and Leavitt, the FBI said that last summer Harris described plans for the New York attack. "Harris told a group of plans to place a 'globe' of bubonic plague toxins in a New York subway station, where it would be broken by a passing subway train, causing hundreds of thousands of deaths. Harris stated that the Iraqis would be blamed for that event." ...... "

(If Koresh had cooperated in the initial raid it probably would have gone down like the one with Byer or Bell. There were no ambulances on 2/28/93, so I suspect they either expected Koresh to surrender, or they intended to eliminate him and arrest the others and seize all the unassembled WMD components.)

The trick with the military involvement was that the BATF could not afford to pay the tab for the Mt Carmel raid, so the military and the BATF concocted a scheme to fabricate a drug nexus. All costs were be paid this way because it was a military/intelligence operation - even the FBI’s involvement was paid (according to Ghigliotti:)

Dave Hardy on his discussions with Ghigliotti before his death: "…On the side (and I have no idea why he was analyzing this) he said it had been determined that almost the entire Waco operation, not only 2/28 but the siege, had been improperly financed from money that law enforcement was supposed to use only in the war on drugs. He said there was plenty of documentation here, showing flow of money. In the 2/28 videotape, the ATF agents are all trying on new uniforms, new equipment -- everything down to the computers in the media area of the raid HQ were bought out of money supposed to be used only in drug enforcement. He said that much or all of the siege had been financed the same way. There were written standards in the gov't for when the drug enforcement money could be used, and these could be shown to have been violated in black and white terms. A considerable amount of money had been, well, embezzled, to support the effort…."

My thinking is that Clinton knew the details of the WMD threat and discussed some of it with Buford and some of it was made known to his select BATF team, the 4 bodyguards. It appears one or more of them was designated to assassinate Koresh in the raid, but having failed, all were killed – except Buford who I believe was hushed by a visit at the Waco hospital the next day from Roger Altman of the Treasury Department, also a FOB

Freeper archy "…Also: it's clear that the initial contact with Koresh by Conway LeBleu of the *special unit* of the New Orleans BATF office was a burst of automatic weapons fire at Koresh from the silenced H&K MP5SD submachinegun LeBleu was carrying, which wounded Koresh- and Le Bleu was among those killed on the structure's roof, so there will be no testimony from him one way or the other. Assuming that both during the initial raid by BATF and the later FBI efforts it was imperative that Koresh be killed, and that BOTH actions were essentially those of federal police death squads, what would have been so pressing that the FBI would have helped the BATF *clean up their mess?*…."


00 JAN 1993 - Gordon Novel (CIA affiliated, investigator for Davidian civil attorney Ramsey Clark) heard from a "close friend" Mike Hall that the Waco raid would not succeed. Novel called General O'Graham (Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, and on the Board of Directors of Novel's security company) and asked "Danny, what is going on?" Novel asked. "He says: 'I don't know.' He says, 'but whatever it is,' he says, 'it's national security.'" ....

WorldNetDaily is in receipt of a letter from the United States Special Operations Command in response to a Freedom of Information Act request seeking military documents regarding Waco. The letter explained why the military has classified some of those documents: "Portions of the documents were found to contain information concerning military plans, weapons, or operations; and vulnerabilities or capabilities or systems, installations, projects, or plans relating to the national security, the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause serious damage to the national security." David M. Bresnahan

06 JAN 1993 - Texas National Guard Counterdrug UC-26 overflight of Davidian residence and Mag Bag (auto body shop) showed a "hot spot" inside the residence and 3 persons as "sentries";

Archy "…Fairchild UC26…….The C-26 is operated exclusively by the Air and Army National Guard and was first delivered in 1989. They have quick change passenger, medevac, or cargo interiors. The C-26A is the civilian equivalent of the Fairchild Metro III with the C-26B being equivalent to the Fairchild Metro 23. The C-26B(CD) [Counter Drug] and the UC-26 are National Guard Bureau aircraft used to support the Air National Guard in drug control operations. The UC-26C is a derivative of the Fairchild Merlin IVC. The C-26B provides time-sensitive movement of personnel and cargo, as well as limited medical evacuation. The UC-26C provides support to counter drug (CD) operations. Additionally, up to ten ANG C-26Bs are being modified to carry specialized electronic equipment used to support CD operations.......

The aircraft represents an on-call, rapid response, modern air transport for high priority resupply and movement of key personnel to remote, unserviced or feeder sites. Specifically, the aircraft is used to deliver repair parts, equipment, technical teams, crash and accident investigation teams. In its role, such functions as range clearance, Medical Evacuation (MEDEVAC), administrative movement of personnel, transportation connections and courier flights are accomplished......

On 23 January 1998 the US Air Force Aeronautical Systems Center Reconnaissance Systems Program Office (ASC/RAKBL) awarded a $5,489,211 contract to Versatron Corp. for a replacement Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR) System for the Air National Guard C-26B Aircraft. The system is a third generation detector technology, non developmental item consisting of eleven installed and fully integrated systems and two complete spares. The FLIR system includes a Thermal Imaging System (TIS), color TV and Laser Range Finder all co-located in a single gimbal turret, plus any separate associated electronic units……"

http://www.fas.org/2000/hr104749/05.htm "….. . Treasury Department documents provided to the subcommittees indicate that at the request of ATF, Forward Looking Infrared Radar (FLIR) imaging was taken on January 6, 1993, by the Texas National Guard Counterdrug unit in a National Guard counterdrug aircraft. ….. Lt. Col. Pettit and Lieutenant Justice ``maintained that only information about grid coordinates was officially provided to ATF'' and that ``no official interpretation was ever provided to ATF regarding the `hot spot.' '' \330\ Even though ATF never sought an official interpretation,\331\ ATF agents later offered the ``hot spot'' as direct evidence of a methamphetamine lab to the military when JTF-6 requested additional proof of the drug nexus at a February 4, 1993 meeting.\332\ ……. Interviews with DEA agents have revealed that FLIR imaging is not a technique used to identify clandestine drug labs because using ``hot spots'' as signatures for methamphetamine labs is too unreliable.\334\ ….."

http://www.ngb.dtic.mil/wmd/index1.htm SAIC WMD Study "….. In their State role, Guard units will be the first military response element available to support local and State agencies in response to a WMD incident. When in a State status, the National Guard is not subject to the restrictions of the Posse Comitatus Act (18 USC 1385) which prohibits Federal military units from performing law enforcement duties......."

http://www.fas.org/2000/hr104749/05.htm "…..Contrary to assertions by Assistant Secretary Holmes, Brig. Gen. Huffman, and Maj. Gen. Pickler, the approval process did not work as it was supposed to.\259\ First, although concerns had been raised that JTF- 6 had been providing military assistance to non-counterdrug activities, little documentation of ATF's requests for military assistance exists. Second, while some senior military officers and DEA officials had opportunities to voice concerns about ATF's alleged drug nexus, they chose not to exercise those opportunities. Third, because a few military officers identified major legal problems with the training mission and alerted senior military commanders, despite threats by other senior military officers, the mission was altered to avoid violations of the law. Finally, after Waco hearings were scheduled, the Secretary of Defense acknowledged problems with the military assistance process and created a working group to review the process.\260.……"

The Dallas Morning News 7/6/00 Lee Hancock "…. …… Under government questioning, Mr. Lattimer and Mr. Petrilli each said they expected no resistance worse than fist fights, and Mr. Lattimer said he believed the medical classes were "for practice." But Mr. Petrilli said under cross-examination that ATF originally asked for the U.S. Army to send Bradley Fighting Vehicles to use in the raid. Defense Department records indicate that the request for eight Bradleys was quickly denied because of federal limitations on military involvement in domestic police actions. …….Mr. Lattimer also conceded on cross-examination that he had never trained with special forces personnel for any other ATF operation and had never before seen agents preparing for a raid instructed on giving Ivs…."

 

14 JAN 1993 - Alabama National Guard under "memorandum of agreement" w/ Texas National guard conducted aerial photography; neither had sufficient authority per their own regs

15 JAN 1993 Col. Browning letter approved the 06 JAN 1993 request, to be provided by the Regional Logistics Support Office in El Paso, TX....

22 JAN 1993 Army Special Operations Command ATF "requesting a MOUT site, Bradley Fighting Vehicles, tents light sets, heaters, generators and other military items of equipment." ; Bradleys were sought to remove casualties

AP 7/5/00 "……..Under cross-examination, Petrilli acknowledged that prior to the raid, some agents were taught by personnel at Fort Hood, a nearby Army post, how to administer field intravenous lines and treat shock and gunfire wounds. He said his blood type was stenciled on his neck and leg before the raid. ……. Robert White, a former ATF agent, had testified last week that writing an agent's blood type on his body was not standard procedure and was recommended by "the military." …… The ATF brought tents, medical assistance, portable toilets and water to take care of Davidians who were to be taken into custody, Petrilli said, but never had a chance to use those supplies....... "

28 JAN 1993 (approx) ATF request for military assistance: "on-call" seven armored Bradley fighting vehicles, 100 gas masks, 500 sandbags, 90 sleeping bags, 15 night vision goggles, a water tank truck, ten tents, including one for "VIP sleeping" and one for "VIP meeting," electric generators and smoke generators "to cover two square kilometers with concealment smoke."

02 FEB 1993 Operation Alliance request of the Commanding General of JTF-6 for the use of Special Forces personnel; Lt Col Philip Lindley US Army Special Forces Command Staff Judge Advocate was notified after which the request was limited to "coordination on Army ranges and teaching ATF how to develop an operations order. ".......

03 FEB 1993 to 25 FEB 1993 - Texas National Guard conducted 5 more reconnaissance/surveillance overflights

16 FEB 1993 US Army Special Forces Command Sgt 1st Class Greg Handy, Sergeant First Class Chris Dunn and SSgt Cordell W Ackley left Fort Bliss for Fort Hood to survey training sites.

17 FEB 1993 Handy, Dunn and Ackley met with Hood's range control office to secure use of Hargrove MOUT (Military Operations Urban Terrain) Training Center; they also met with ATF agents Kenneth King and Bill Buford, team leaders of Special Response Units assigned to execute forced entries through second-floor windows at Mount Carmel.

19 FEB 1993 Handy, Dunn and Ackley returned to McGregor Range; ATF agents went over and asked Koresh to go shooting; he agreed and provided the ammunitions; the agents even handed him their guns

22 FEB 1993 Entire Detachment (Dunn, Handy, Staff Sergeant Jon F. Wilson, Ackley, Captain Clyde Moore SSgt. Michael J. Dooney, SSgt. Steven M. Fitts, SSgt. J C. Burkhardt and SSgt. Robert R. Moreland) returned to Hood; Dunn and Wilson met ATF point-of-contact, agent Kris Mayfield

23 FEB 1993 BATF Agent Darrell Dyer along with William Krone wrote a plan for the raid which was not distributed; Breault had also contacted the FBI, accusing Koresh of a number of other crimes besides child abuse. A February 23, 1993 FBI memo, obtained by the Dallas Morning News, stated that no information had been developed to verify the allegations of "child abuse and neglect, tax evasion, slavery and reports of possible mass destruction." http://www.shadeslanding.com/firearms/waco.horn.html

24 FEB 1993 At Fort Hood, ATF leaders met with the special forces troops assigned to train them; the advisers helped construct a mock-up of Mount Carmel and opened the rifle range for ATF's sharpshooters, who practiced shooting from a range of 260 meters; troops impersonated Davidians to help training.

25 FEB 1993 to 27 FEB 1993 Eight man team of Green Berets trained more than 50 ATF agents at Ft Hood with limitation: Army medics could train how to treat "battlefield" injuries but could not attend the raid, Berets could train in the use of sophisticated firearms, but could not teach them close-quarter battle tactics, Berets could teach how to develop an attack plan but not participate in preparing or rehearsing a specific plan. ; Military sources say training included flash-bangs, after-hours "room-clearing, fire-and-maneuver and building takedown" methods and "subjects Special Forces are forbidden to teach civilian law enforecement"

The Dallas Morning News 7/6/00 Lee Hancock "…. ……Mr. Petrilli and retired Houston Agent Ken Lattimer each testified that Army medics met their agents at Fort Hood on the eve of the raid and taught them how to treat gunshot wounds, including by "sucking chest wounds," and field administration of intravenous or IV fluids. They said their contingency planning also included calling in local ground ambulances and two Careflight helicopters from Fort Worth to be on standby during the raid. …….. Under government questioning, Mr. Lattimer and Mr. Petrilli each said they expected no resistance worse than fist fights, and Mr. Lattimer said he believed the medical classes were "for practice." But Mr. Petrilli said under cross-examination that ATF originally asked for the U.S. Army to send Bradley Fighting Vehicles to use in the raid. Defense Department records indicate that the request for eight Bradleys was quickly denied because of federal limitations on military involvement in domestic police actions. …….Mr. Lattimer also conceded on cross-examination that he had never trained with special forces personnel for any other ATF operation and had never before seen agents preparing for a raid instructed on giving Ivs…."

26 FEB 1993 World Trade Center bombing (FBI HRT investigating this would be sent to Waco);

Freeper roughrider "……. I can't find my earlier posts of this, so I have to type it in right from the book, BUSHWACKED BY BUSH MASTERS by Ronald Davison: ……… "It was just hours after the World Trade Center bombing that then Acting Deputy Assistant Secretary for Law Enforcement (overseer of ATF) Michael D. Langan was made aware of the proposed raid by a memorandum prepared just MINUTES after the World Trade Center bombing by Christopher Cuyler, ATF's liasion to the Treasury Department.

"Red flags must have appeared before Langan's eyes. He responded by calling a conference that included John P. Simpson, Acting Assistant Secretary for Enforcement, Stanley Morris, former Director of the U.S. Marshal's Service (now working in the Office of Enforcement), and Ronald K. Noble, Clinton's designee as Secretary for Law Enforcement in the Treasury Department. (Source: Treasury Department Report on Waco, pages 177, 178).

"They ALL agreed the raid required excessive force to execute the warrant, precautions to protect both ATF agents and Davidians were absent, and chances of achieving the mission's goal without a shoot-out were slim. Therefore, Simpson called ATF Director Higgins and directed that the raid be called off. (Treasury Report, page 179).

"Less than an hour later (if you believe the Treasury Department Report on Waco) Higgins called Simpson back and in a three-way conversation that included Noble, got them to revoke their order that had, just minutes before, concluded the raid plan was fraught with potential catastrophies that, less than 44 hours later, evolved from potential to ACTUAL CATASTROPHIES, including the deaths of both agents and Davidians."……."

28 FEB 1993 BATF raid at Davidian church near Waco, TX; several residents killed; 4 BATF raiders killed and several wounded/injured, and church leader David Koresh wounded by BATF submachinegun fire; Bill Buford injured.

The BATF went ahead with the raid after they were found out. I believe they could not do otherwise because national security was at risk.

Also the normally independent Texas Rangers were quickly deputized to the federal government, which result in controlling their activity and gagging them from being able to testify against any government interest in the future.

The media was kept 2 miles away, way out of range to pick up on the true nature of the siege. In the Justice report timeline, there are instances where the FBI asks for media cooperation, the communications between Koresh and the media is severed, and the agents are advised to be aware of the media capability to eavesdrop.

The following conversation was noted in the current civil trial at Waco. The comments made by Koresh to the local Sheriff’s Department include a warning that should be noted. By this time he had already engaged the ATF.

Mark England 6/22/00 Waco Tribune Herald "……The government also played portions of the 9-1-1 tape, trying to counter the plaintiffs' portrayal of the Davidians as the raid's victims. One dealt with a conversation between Koresh and Lynch. ……"You don't know what we have," Koresh said. "You don't know what we've got." ……."No, sir," Lynch said. ….."You'll end up like this ATF, BATF," Koresh said. "You guys, you're going to get a big butt-whipping." ……. Koresh also told Lynch, "We knew you were coming and everything. You see we knew before you even knew." …….."

Dallas Morning News 3/26/93 Lee Hancock "...... And authorities also discovered dozens of pistols and dozens of barrels for M-16s, AR-15s and other weapons. …..Also taken from the wreckage were an unspecified number of gas masks, one chemical warfare suit, several kevlar tactical vests and other body armor, including at least eight kelvar helmets. …….………."

00 MAR 1993 Secret CIA meeting concerning CAG (Combat Action Group) participation in Waco (CAG participation was authorized by Joint Chiefs of Staff); General Peter Schoomaker (had once headed the Army's secret anti-terrorist unit Delta Force and now is at U.S. Special Forces Command at Macdill Air Force Base in Florida) visited Waco and later attended briefings with Reno

01 MAR 1993 - 19 APR 1993 FBI requests for military assistance: the loan of M-1 Abrams tanks, helicopters and big combat engineering vehicles, training in the use of 40 mm grenade launchers; at least one commando from the elite British Strategic Air Service came to Waco as an observer.

02 MAR 1993 Special Operations Commanders memo to Joint Chiefs and the FBI said they had carried out "observation of operations in Waco, Texas" - stamped "secret specat";

03 MAR 1993 "Mag Bag" searched

06 MAR 1993 Schneider says "...I really -- I'll tell you the truth. I -- it wouldn't surprise me that they wouldn't want to get rid of the evidence. Because if this building is left standing, you will see the evidences of what took place......"; in negotiations with the FBI Koresh says "Well, I'm saying y1all keep negotiating with us and stuff. But woe to the bloody city. ...."

08 MAR 1993 Three robots shipped to Waco w/2 civilian engineers, a Marine Corp major and an Army Captain; FBI faxed formal assault plan to White House at the request of Webb Hubbell; planned but aborted was a strategy to drug the BDs water supply;

Could it be that the top secret robots were chemical/biological detection devices?

http://209.153.214.117/content/vol2/issue3/full/2/Index.html Biosensors, using fibre optic or electrochemical devices, have been developed for detecting micro-organisms in clinical, food technology, and military applications (King et al, 1999; Mulchandani et al, 1999). An immunosensor is used for the detection of Candida albicans (Muramatsu et al, 1986). Bacillus anthracis, and bacteria in culture are detected by optical sensors (Swenson, 1992). In addition, several systems have been developed in the USA to detect biological weapons. Generic and polyvalent immunosensors have been devised to detect biological agents that cause metabolic damage and whose antigenic structure has been specifically genetically altered to avoid detection by antibody-based detection systems. Other biodetection systems functioning as early warning/alert systems involve the detection of biological particle densities by laser eyes and electronic noses with incorporated alarms. Emphasis in such systems is less on the identity of the biological agent, and more on the early warning aspect which constitutes an effective arm in counteracting the threat of bioterrorism in daily and routine peace time environments (Schutz et al, 1999).

http://www.mitretek.com/mission/envene/chemical/detection.html
BATTLEFIELD DEVICES

The hand-held Improved Chemical Agent Monitor (ICAM, also known as CAM2TM) is based on ion mobility spectrometry (IMS). Air is drawn into the IMS unit and is ionized by a weakly radioactive source. Agent molecules in the vapor phase form low-mobility ionic clusters. These time of flight of the ionic clusters from a sample in a drift tube is measured relative to a reference cluster. A computer examines the pattern of the time(s) of flight in a sample, determines the level of chemical agent present, and indicates on a display or by an alarm the level of hazard…….. The Automatic Chemical Agent Alarm (ACADA) system is another detector based on the GID-3TM IMS. This system is a larger, man portable IMS system with a communications interface to support battlefield automation systems…….ACADA replaces the M8A1 Automatic Chemical Agent Alarm System, which was used during the 1991 Gulf War. The M8A1 is also portable chemical agent alarm based on IMS……"

LONG RANGE STAND-OFF DEVICES

The M21 Remote Sensing Chemical Agent Alarm (RSCAAL) is based on a passive infrared (IR) detector. The incoming IR signal is compared against known agent spectra; when a match is detected a display lights and an alarm sounds. The display also indicates in which of the seven fields of view (spread over a 60 degree arc) the agent was detected. This allows the operator to actually track a moving agent cloud. The M21 is capable of detecting nerve and blister agents in the vapor phase from a distance of up to 5,000 meters; however, it must have a direct line of sight to the agent cloud in order to function...... All of the point detection devices are very sensitive and thus give a very rapid response. Again, the drawback to this sensitivity is that these devices can give false positive readings. Therefore, separate systems are needed to verify the presence of agent and to identify the specific agent......"

 

11 MAR 1993 Wilcher learns that Koresh had extensive CIA background;

15 MAR 1993 (approx) Meeting of 20 special operations experts incl FBI/Delta to discuss Waco as a case study; Cullen (a senior case officer with the CIA's Special Forces Group) proposed using chemicals to render BDs unconscious - plan rejected as a risk to the weak;

21 MAR 1993 Spillage of 2,000 gallons of diesel fuel on south side of complex; 4 Delta Force "observers" deployed (not revealed for 6.5 years)

Suddenly, after the 4 Delta observers were there on March 21^st and 2,000 gallons of diesel spilled (the Davidians had a diesel generator,) the next day the FBI started pushing hard to gas the compound. From here on there appears to be a strong effort to contain the BDs in the compound with flash bangs, bright lights, concertina wire.

The containment is very obvious on 4/19/93 where there was a crushing of exits and an alleged firing at or blinding of people trying to escape.

The intent to contain is very significantly demonstrated on the day before - 4/18/93 – when a Delta Force operative is within 6 feet of Koresh and asks whether to nab him but command says not to do so, because they have a plan.

Taken altogether, it appears to me they were trying to control a potential contamination or leakage – or in the alternative, they had to make sure all people with knowledge and will to build another WMD would be eliminated along with the weapon components. Perhaps it was both….

Freeper amom 5/18/00 "…http://eclectica.org/v2n6/barrett_justice.html "…… Retired ATF Arson Specialist Rick Sherrow offers his expertise: "Survivors who exited the south side of the building had to walk through an area contaminated by fuel of a large tank spilled by the government tank operation. ……..

 

22 MAR 1993 FBI began pushing to use tear gas in writing;

30 MAR 1993 Special Operations Command responds to FBI's request for assistance; report forwarded to Defense Secretary Aspin and the Joint Chiefs, led by Gen Colin Powell

07 APR 1993 FBI activated two "flash bangs" to keep a person from leaving the building

09 APR 1993 Schneider came out and was flash-banged; another male exits and is flash-banged; FBI says they would not even try to fight any blaze that broke out despite the cautions of Jahn;

10 APR 1993 HRT began installing concertina wire around compound

11 APR 1993 FBI flash-banged another person trying to leave

12 APR 1993 Sessions, Clarke and Potts briefed Reno (and Hubbell) on the tear gas option; individual arrested at a roadblock trying to get into the compound

13 APR 1993 HRT notes stated that the FBI's chief tactical commander and the Army officers were summoned to Washington to ``brief White House -- liaison Hubble (sic),'' adding ``Hubble want (sic) military expert's opinion of the operation.''

14 APR 1993 Second briefing of Reno included Dr Harry Salem chief scientist for life sciences at the U.S. Army Chemical Biological Defense Command, Col Boykin of Delta Force and Gen. Schoomarker; Reno was persuaded that tear gas wouldn't harm individuals or ignite; DeGuerin told Jamar that Koresh would exit after writing a manuscript about the Seven Seals; 6.5 years later Cullen said they were told in a CIA briefing that more than 10 Delta would be actively participating in the attack; FBI began to gather information about the Davidian's water supply

The water tanks that so concerned Ghigliotti before his death - were ordered monitored by Reno on April 14th, found to be full on April 15th but drained on April 18th. The Davidian survivor said they were drinking rain water they had collected. But the compound had a well. It seems to me these events indicate that they were in the final phases of assembling their WMD. Note that a method of delivery for some WMDs requires a slurry and spraying.

Dave Hardy on his conversations with Ghigliotti "…Carlos also told me, last month, that he'd seen FLIRs from nights before 4/19, and that it was apparent that the FLIR aircraft was being used to monitor the Davidians' water supply. The water was stored in those big plastic tanks at the rear of the building, and the coolness of the water inside showed up as a darker area. It was apparent that the water supply was shrinking, and by 4/19 was almost gone. He had heard the aircraft crew talking about it, and noting that the level was going down. So, essentially, they knew that thirst would force an end to the siege within a few days of 4/19….."

 

15 APR 1993 FBI flash-banged a male trying to exit, he tried again and was flash-banged again; FBI reported that water storage tank in the rear appeared to be full; [redacted]

16 APR 1993 Hubbell reported that Reno's answer was no; Sessions, Clark and Potts asked to see Reno personally; Reno wanted documentation; Koresh confirms he will come out after writing the manuscript "I'm giving you the simple answer. Yes. Yes. Yes. I never intended to die in here."

I believe Koresh’s insistence on writing the Seven Seals was sincere. He wanted the world to know why the destruction occurred, to teach the world a lesson.

17 APR 1993 Reno received documentation and approved the tear gas plan; Louis Alaniz (first to sneak in) came out; FBI notified of Reno's decision that evening and began preparations

18 APR 1993 Reno briefed Clinton; Delta penetrated the building (they had on several occasions) and saw Koresh w/I 6 feet and radioed Tactical Operations Center for permission to grab him - w/I minutes the word came back from the Justice Department "No, we already have a plan in place."; Carlos Ghigliotti (FLIR expert now deceased) said the FLIRs from the nights before show the FBI was monitoring the water supply – and remarking that the water supply was shrinking

19 APR 1993 FBI attacks church with tanks, automatic weapons fire, gas. Inhabitants killed;


10:47:16-10:52:57--Period of missing infrared video tape. Gordon Novel saw the missing 5.5 minutes of tape in New Orleans with Former CIA Colby; it shows them using blinding lasers and pushing a blade to drive the Davidians back into the compound.

Several stories were fabricated by the government but didn’t hold up to scrutiny. One was that the bunker collapsed killing the people inside. Autopsies attribute deaths this way, but the bunker was in fact not collapsed. Another was that Koresh tried to escape from the bunker 25 yards through the communications room to the kitchen to the exit. The floorplan does not agree. I have discarded these pieces of disinformation except to "red flag" that there must be something they don’t want us to notice...

Using Ol’ Dan Tucker’s lists, there were 19 with gunshot wounds, 13 were clearly to the head – an additional one is not clear - but only Schneider’s looked like the well taught Davidian method of suicide (gun in the mouth.) It just so happens the alleged after-action report attached to Wilcher’s document said "Inserted team terminated 12 by projectile to the base of skull or forehead, 10 minutes before incineration commenced." I don’t know when the autopsy reports were issued, but the alleged after-action report was dated on a fax as July 9 1993.

These numbers peaked my curiosity even more about the attachment and the kitchen, in particular whether the mission, timing and evidence line up to match the account given: The attachment describes the WMD device parts being located in the kitchen area (which we now know was just outside the only door into the bunker.)

At 09:28 the tank may have collapsed the stairway near the kitchen (boxing them in perhaps?) And we know from Jamar’s deposition that at 09:30 the listening devices had picked up conversations from a large group of women and children who had gathered in the kitchen, right next to the bunker. Then at 11:23 a tank is completely in the gym, at 11:54 the last voice is recorded from within the compound and the fires start at 12:07 (about 10 minutes apart, BTW!) The last FBI listening device went dead at 12:01

I could visualize some, mostly the women with their children in tow, frantically doing the final assembly of the WMD in the kitchen area, perhaps filling containers and/or spilling contents - while the siege was in progress. I believe anything within a certain square area of the WMD would have to be utterly consumed by fire to remove the contaminates.

From Ol’ Dan Tucker’s information (with the title lines changed to show proximity to the kitchen) we can see the gunshot victims’ bodies laying around in the aftermath as follows:

Kitchen:
20 - Jimmy Riddle - gunshot wound, mid-forehead (Ol’ Dan Tucker said: "Common sense dictates that he was shot first, then run over by the tank. But the only known tank activity in the area where his body was recovered was the one that was supposed to have been gassing the pantry, so it's a reasonable assumption that his body was mutilated by this tank, which means that he was probably already dead when this tank broke through the walls and made a frontal assault on the pantry)
21 - Steven Henry - gunshot wounds
22 - Phillip Henry - multiple gunshot wounds, head and upper torso

Room next to the Kitchen
7 - Steve Schneider - gunshot wound, mouth
8 - David Koresh - gunshot wound, mid-forehead

Bunker room next to the Kitchen
31A - Aisha Summers - gunshot wound to the left chest
31D-E - parts of human skull, 11-14 yrs., gunshot wound to left skull
43 - Lisa Ferris - gunshot wound to the left head
44 - John Doe - gunshot wound to the left chest
45 - Mary Jean Borst - gunshot wound of the back
47 - Jane Doe - gunshot wound to the head
53 - Jane Doe 5-5.5 yrs. - gunshot wound to the left chest
66 - Jane Doe - gunshot wounds to the left back and thorax
67-B - infant - gunshot wound to the head

On top of the bunker room next to the Kitchen:
34 - Sonobe - gunshot wound of the head
35 - Shari Doyle - gunshot wound left posterior head
36 - David M. Jones - gunshot wound of the head
39 - Novellette Hipsman - gunshot wounds of the head and chest
41 - Neil Vaega - gunshot wound to the head

There appears to be a strange collection of head wound gunshot deaths in and around the kitchen, the numbers look just about right and there was a 10 minute interval.

The evidence makes it look like they blocked or herded the people into the kitchen/bunker area, or drug them in there if they were already dead, gassed them into immobility or coma and then killed the ones that weren't already dead (which would have been merciful at that point IMHO.)

After the gunshots, they would have set the WMD and contaminants (including the bodies) to be utterly destroyed perhaps as the alleged after-action attachment indicated "... Incineration occurred through the introduction of 80/90 MM 20 pound glycerine canisters which hold a flash point of 175F to accelerate the focused flash point. A C-2/4 tear gas (canister form) was inserted via 90MM Bradley barrels into the ripped structure to facilitate ignition. A combination of Oxygen and dimethyl alcohol was injected into the structure at intervals. Ignition occurred electronically; ignition for secondaries was delivered via mercury acid fuses located at canister base..."

As noted by Ol’ Dan Tucker, the blast downward into the concrete bunker that jelled the bodies together and crushed the walk in cooler, was slightly offset from the support beam as if the intention was to collapse the room, but they missed. The DSL research thread on the Hole in the Bunker and Fireball contains a lot information on this…

http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/crs/98042705_npo.html Another concern regarding airstrikes is the probability and effect of releasing CBW agents into the air as a result of bombing. There is a high degree of unpredictability in any such estimate. This has been exemplified by the difficulties that those investigating the so-called Persian Gulf War Syndrome have experienced in determining how many U.S. troops may have been exposed to some level of nerve agent after the U.S. destruction of an Iraqi munitions depot shortly after the Persian Gulf conflict. A variety of factors would affect whether contamination would be localized or widespread, temporary or long-term. These include: type of CBW agent, type of munition, target location, population density, wind, humidity, level of sunlight, and temperature. There are U.S. munitions in the experimental stages intended specifically to reduce collateral contamination by penetrating bunkers before detonating or by destroying CBW agents through incineration rather than explosion. It is not clear, however, whether these weapons will be deployed to the Persian Gulf while still under development.

Freeper Outspot’s pictures help us to visualize where the bodies (red flags) were found. Many of the red flags represent deaths due to gun shots to the head. The alleged after action report indicated 12 deaths by projectile to the head. The numbers are very close, 1 more actual head wound on the red flags, but it was a gunshot to the mouth. Another gunshot autopsy was not clear whether there were any wounds to the head.

Outspot’s pictures of the bunker area after the assault:
http://burgesses.com/DAVIDFLAG.JPG
http://www.monumental.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/fig/d_fig03.jpg

The kitchen was directly in front of the only door into the bunker. The alleged after action report placed WMD components in the kitchen.

The bunker is where so many women and children bodies were located, in various states of decomposition. There is a hole on the roof of the bunker and the condition of the walk-in cooler inside and other evidence points to a downward, outward explosion/incineration.

These additional pictures from Freeper Ol’ Dan Tucker and Carol Valentine's Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum show the red flags on top of the bunker, the cleanup inside the bunker, the hole in the bunker and the crushed walk-in cooler:

http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/fig/d_fig02

http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/System/1543/wanr/vault/insidet.JPG

http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/System/1543/d_fig14cc.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/System/1543/wanr/vault/coolert.JPG

Click here for more information on Freeper research into the Hole in the Bunker and Fireball: http://Alamo-girl.com/03603.htm

dallasnews.com 6/23/00 AP "……Several FBI agents, including Joseph Servel and Michael Sackett, have said a fire erupted in the kitchen less than 30 seconds after they saw a tank insert tear gas into the room. ……. "We were in the ... (tank) and I was observing the area of the kitchen or dining room," Rowan testified. "Some smoke was coming from in between the clapboards from what was designated as the kitchen area.'' ……."

ABCNEWS 7/11/00 Matt Slagle "……Unidentified Branch Davidians were heard asking "start the fire?" and "should we light the fire?" in recordings played today in the $675 million wrongful-death trial against the government………. "Let's keep that fire going," a male voice said on the final day of the siege as tanks rumbled in the background. …….. Federal agents were heard warning sect members of an impending tear-gassing operation and urged them to surrender the morning of April 19. On the same excerpt, a male voice was heard asking, "Should we light the package?"

Waco: The Rules of Engagement, text of video page 35. Waco93.com
Narrator: As the gassing continued, the women and children went to the safest place left inside Mt. Carmel the kitchen storage room . . . a first floor steel reinforced concrete room --- a former vault -at the bottom of the square wooden tower.
Bob Ricks, FBI Spokesman: We knew that that protection was in there we believe we finally were able to make entry into that compound and were able to insert gas inside that protective area.
Clive Doyle, Branch Davidian Survivor: They actually drove right through the middle of the building into the kitchen area basically at point blank range fired gas into the concrete, what they called the bunker, the concrete room where the women and children were.

20 APR 1993 Wilcher received initial information that Waco was a mass murder

03 MAY 1993 Wilcher received specific information on how the 20 APR 1993 information was carried out

05 MAY 1993 Wilcher's originally scheduled appointment with Reno

13 MAY 1993 A document was written as a synopsis of the 14 APR 1993 meeting with Reno, Col Boykin, Gen Schoomaker and others; the after the fact memo stressed the military only played a "supporting role" and that they understood the legal restrictions on their activities

21 MAY 1993 Wilcher gave a 100 page report to the Department of Justice. On the cover page he says "....The lives of key participants, other witnesses, and even myself are now in grave danger as a result of my passing this information to you..." This is the first outside report of Delta Force involvement at Waco - it was not confirmed until summer of 1999

11 JUN 1993 Wilcher disappeared

23 JUN 1993 From the Death Report 93-875. At 1000 hours Ms Sara McClendon called the missing persons section of the DC Police complaining of a possible missing person. Lt. Quigley responded along with the DC fire department to Wilcher's home. Paul David Wilcher's badly decomposed body was found. The report says cause unknown, found inside bathroom, wearing striped shirt. Doctor Carol McMahon pronounced him dead at 1430.

Freeper razorback-bert "….. While trying to poke hole in your theory, I found this: http://www.rumormillnews.com/operation.htm May fit in somewhere is this weird world. ….A snippet from that site: Russbacher introduced Wilcher to members of his SEAL team. These men and others are the government employees who gave Paul Wilcher the information he put into the 100 page letter he wrote to Attorney General Janet Reno. In the letter he explained, as well as he could, various government mind control experiments. He felt he had to give Reno the background on mind control operations in the Waco area so she could fully understand what was really going on at the Branch Davidian compound.

Wilcher was told that something had gone wrong at Waco. The "sleepers" were waking up from their programming. Not only were they waking up, one or more of them had been accidently "triggered". The Waco "Sleepers" were programmed to make and deliver, a biological or chemical device that could kill everyone in a city the size of Oklahoma City or Houston. Information received by their "handlers" stated that the program had been accidently triggered and the 7 "Sleepers" had started building the device.

According to information from a government "plant" inside the compound, the device was only days from completion. A CIA/Delta Force team was fielded to go into the compound and "neutralize" the problems. When the BATF learned that a CIA/Delta Force Group was going into the Branch Davidian compound, the BATF decided to raid the compound first. The BATF had no idea why the CIA/DFG team was going in. The BATF had been carrying on an independent surveillance of the compound.

It would not have been unheard of for the BATF to have discovered the mind control project that was going on at the Davidian Compound. Mind control operations are common near the Waco area. Waco was the first major center for CIA mind control schools. No one has ever known if the BATF knew that Koresh and a few others were mind control subjects, or if they had just been tracking David Koresh because he dealt in guns. The Source who provided this information to RMNews said he had not been able to access the BATF records to discover why the Davidians were under BATF surveillance. Our source commented, "they (the BATF) had no idea what they were walking into."

According to our Source, by the time the FBI got involved, Janet Reno had already been briefed about the device. Her orders to the FBI were to contain and destroy the device. On the day of the Waco inferno, a Delta Group Force was inserted into the compound. Their orders were to kill the seven "sleepers" and disarm the device. The "sleepers" were killed, but the DFG group never had the time to find the device and disarm it.

The compound exploded in flames. The DFG team barely made it out alive. It was their belief that the FBI, the Department of Justice and the Clinton Administration intended to kill them also. This is why they gave their story to Paul Wilcher. In an operation like this, each person is "compartmented" and only told their part of the mission. The DFG team had no idea that Janet Reno knew about the existence of the device. It is not known if she knew about the mind control project or just thought the Davidians were a terrorist group with a device that could wipe out hundreds of thousands of Americans. ….."

Freeper Ada Coddington 5/18/00 response "…… One problem with the Wilcher theory is that as far as we know mind control has not yet been perfected to the state he describes. About the only thing supporting that is that strange statement Koresh supposedly made to Rodriguez (at the time I thought it was an ATF lie), "they got me once and they are not going to get me again". True, Koresh had been in custody once, but he suffered nothing from it and walked out a free man. Obviously he was not referring to the sheriff's office and as far as we know, no federal agency ever had him in custody. ……"

30 JUN 1993 RICO civil filing was scheduled with Judge Parsons in Chicago, but the judge also died similar to Wilcher and all the documents disappeared.

00 JUL 1993 Alexander Horvat interviewed Gunther Russbacher in prison. Gunther said that it was the Delta Group Special Forces that went into Waco.

01 JUL 1993 Gunther Russbacher smuggled the alleged memo out of prison via handwritten notes. He writes in all caps "RENO IS IN ON ALL OF IT" and in the left margin "Sessions has been notified."

09 JUL 1993 Attachment to the Wilcher report reads like an after action report and describes a WMD at Waco and claims 12 shot before the fire was set. It is titled "Discussions with William Sessions" and "Do not publish names. Quid pro quo" The quid pro quo is for safety of the ones who wish to come forward about Waco. Excerpts follow…

Purpose of the Waco raid was to target and remove seven sleepers (MK-Ultra) who refused to adhere to ASA and DIA standards…..

Waco compound members had almost completed assembly of a nerve gas toxin devise massive/large enough in quantity to target and destroy all organic life in 432 square mile area. A city the size of Oklahoma City was intended. However, Houston, Texas was designated as principal target……Method of dispersal was propeller craft with running air speeds of no more than 60 miles per hour. Max cross seeding to be done at 2500 feet for East-West axis, with 2000 feet for North-South axis.

The device in Waco was in very few hours of completion. Order to go in was not made by Executive Branch!!! Orders assumed "Code Actual" when the infiltrator agent residing within the complex stated "Code Blue" At that time our man (redacted) had pulled out. ATF had men in place (inside) up until two days before siege began.

Reno spoke with (redacted) about a D.G.F. insertion. Reno acted as if she knew nothing about the real problem – the device!

THE DEVICE

Material for the device was appropriated through A/F 1324-B. The nitrate component was acquired from Ft. Devens, MA; the volatility stabilizers were brought, via truck, from Ft Mead, MD. All raw and processed materials was provided from military stores. The gravity fuse detonators were acquired from Carewell USAF, Ft. Worth, TX.

Transport personnel was found from AAA services: a subsidiary of Snelling of St. Paul, MN. There were 2 ATF officers from Galveston in the compound as the shipments arrived.

Technical assistance in handling and construction were flown in to Dallas from Dover, Delaware. The techs were ASA and USA Chem Corps personnel (redacted.) CHEMICAL RAW WEIGHT – PRIOR TO (CHEMOPECTRA) SEPARATION - UNKNOWN

Molten metal fused to Kitchen appliances – 65kg of sulfur/zinc volatile mass. It did not ignite past prima stage!!! The cerebro neuro toxins of the C-2 nerve gas propellant ignited under a stress measure of .25pnd/PSI, causing neuro-toxins to incinerate at 0 level. Immediate reports were unavailable for 11 hours (according to media because it was too hot to enter) due to unresolved neuro-toxic density at 0 level (entire first squad wore toxic suits and double masks.) Total recovered mass at incineration site-124 pounds(+-) Numerous base mineral clusters were found fused to small ordnance. That means: the device was in 5 parts, kept in separate munitions bunkers (level 2&3.) The mineral/gaseous mass found at ground 0 were massed to various kitchen appliances and indicate that the compound of the mass was jellied! (color believed to have ranged from green to dark olive green- prior to incineration.) Incineration occurred through the introduction of 80/90 MM 20 pound glycerine canisters which hold a flash point of 175F to accelerate the focused flash point. A C-2/4 tear gas (canister form) was inserted via 90MM Bradley barrels into the ripped structure to facilitate ignition. A combination of Oxygen and dimethyl alcohol was injected into the structure at intervals. Ignition occurred electronically; ignition for secondaries was delivered via mercury acid fuses located at canister base.

DFG removed themselves from acute perimeter by doning ATF blue jackets and baseball caps. DFG blended with ingoing ATF as they meandered back and forth to their command vehicle. The amount of lives saved at ground 0=7.

Inserted team terminated 12 by projectile to the base of skull or forehead, 10 minutes before incineration commenced.

End of report.

(redacted)

 

19 JUL 1993 William Sessions FBI Director was abruptly fired.

20 JUL 1993: Deputy White House Counsel Vince Foster found shot to death; ruled suicide but thought to be murder.

 

SUMMARY

After the raid, all evidence of military involvement was suppressed. The official reports omitted to mention the hole in the roof of the bunker and the ATF dealings with the military prior to the failed raid. Evidence was falsely classified, altered or disappeared, bodies liquefied and much more.

There is way too much detail to include it all on this thread, but you can easily source these statements in the Downside Legacy and especially the Waco Timeline!

Except for the diligence of filmmaker McNulty and attorney Hardy, we would know very little. In reaction to their persistence, the players in this sad story didn’t stay in their appointed "compartments:"

Vague "confessions" of military involvement – especially Delta Force on 4/19/93 - are afloat; these guys are much too competent with top secret national security - to allow such information to get out unintentionally. IMHO, they must be very angry.

The Texas Rangers drew the line when they saw evidence they were being used and forced the issue last summer causing Judge Smith to make his unprecedented order forcing the government to fork over all of its evidence. The Department of Justice didn't cave in until Judge Smith ordered US Marshals to seize the evidence.

The U.S. prosecutor on the Waco criminal trial, Johnston, also discovered last summer that he was being used, released his documentary evidence and resigned.

Judge Smith must now know that he was also used as evidenced by his decisions and actions since last summer. Further, M.E. Peerwani wants to take another look at whatever remains of the remains and Senator Danforth has forensics working.

 

I now theorize that Judge Smith may have assured the long sentences for the Davidians in the interest of National Security and might therefore control the trial (non-jury) to protect the information. If so, I would expect him to also be very kind toward the plaintiffs. [On 27 MAY 2000 Judge Smith ordered a jury trial for the Davidian civil case and dropped counterclaims against the estates of Branch Davidian leaders as well as some surviving adult sect members who recently dropped their lawsuits against the government]

 

WMD POSSIBILITIES

Freeper archy on Anthrax and other WMDs

"…If a potential WND was to have been used by Koresh, and assuming the likelihood that it wasn't a nuclear device, probably beyond the technological capability of the Davidians to prepare as a improvised/homebrew unit, and unlikely to have been provided to them by any foreign entity sponsoring them, and assuming it wasn't chemical, since they lacked any particular means for aerosol delivery over a large geographical area for maximum effect via aircraft, that leaves a biological possibility.

There are many possible avenues of attack for the American Southwest via a biowar device, but the one which seems to be receiving the most attention at present seems to be Anthrax, resultant from inhalation of the spores of Bacillus Anthracis.

There are indeed connections to Great Britain in this respect: in 1941-42 Great Britain tested the use of feed *cakes* for cattle contaminated with Anthrax on cattle grazing at Gruinard Island off the coast of Scotland. Despite repeated efforts to sterilize the aftereffects of that wartime operational necessity, the place remains a contamination zone and fears that birds cound spread the spores to the mainland remain a pressing concern.

Texas, with its well-known cattle industry would seem to be particularly vulnerable to an attack with similar material, which would require little more for preparation than a supply of infected source material, a few hundred pounds of dog food, enough water to combine the two into a slurry, and a few days to dry enough for packaging- inside waxed paper bags would be near ideal.

Anthrax as a Weapon of Terrorism and Difficulties Presented in Response to its Use
from Defense Journal

In the wake of the Persian Gulf War, Oklahoma City bombing and use of sarin by Aum Shinrikyo in Tokyo, the potential use of nuclear, biological and chemical (NBC) weapons by terrorists within the United States has come to the attention of the print and electronic media. As recently as June 14, 1998, 60 Minutes ran a story concerning the use of anthrax as a weapon in major cities such as New York and Boston. Earlier this year, Secretary William Cohen appeared on the This Week programme using a 5 lb. bag of sugar to demonstrate the amount of anthrax bacillus necessary to devastate a major metropolitan city. …..


….World War I saw the possible introduction of anthrax as a weapon against livestock and transportation animals. A clandestine biological research laboratory was set up in Baltimore, MD by the German government in 1915. A number of suspected uses of anthrax by the German government during World War I were alleged, but not well documented. Japan, Great Britain, and the United States all proceeded with research into the use of anthrax bacillus as a weapon in World War II. While no combatants used anthrax during this war, the Anthrax bacillus was both tested on animals and allied prisoners. Weapon delivery systems were also developed. The former Soviet Union also developed a biological research programme during the Cold War. The accidental release of anthrax from a secret bio-weapons research facility in Sverdlovsk, USSR resulted in the death of 66 of 77 diagnosed cases.

….In 1993, the Aum Shrinkyo cult attempted to release anthrax spores in downtown Tokyo one month prior to the nerve gas attack. This incident marks the first instance of anthrax to be used as a weapon against a civilian population.

…. Pulmonary anthrax starts with inhalation of anthrax spores. The US Army estimates that inhalation of 8,000-50,000 spores can cause infection. After an incubation period of one to seven days, an exposed individual develops flu-like symptoms {malaise, fatigue, myalgia (body ache), fever and non-productive cough} that persist for two to three days. ……. Within twenty-four to thirty-six hours, the victim experiences the rapid onset of shock and subsequent death. Inhalation anthrax has a mortality of 95-100% despite antibiotic treatment.

Ingestion anthrax has an incubation period of 2-5 days. Symptoms include nausea, vomiting fever and severe abdominal pain. Ingestion anthrax has a mortality of 95-100% despite antibiotic treatment.

…… Anthrax exists in soil as a spore. Under certain condition, the anthrax spore can remain viable in soil for decades. After conducting open-air anthrax weapons research on Gruinard Island in Scotland in 1941, the British government banned human entry for over fifty years.

Anthrax occurs worldwide, reported in 82 countries. Human cases of anthrax are reported regularly in countries in the Middle East, Africa and the former Soviet Union. Cases of animal anthrax in the United States occur in Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma and South Dakota. Cattle, sheep, goats and horses are the chief animal hosts. Infections can occur from contact with contaminated carcasses, hides, wool, hair, blood, excreta, bones; and consuming uncooked, contaminate meat. …..

Since anthrax is persistent in the environment, contamination of soil would require special treatment. Gruinard Island, the location of the British anthrax experiments remained restricted to human entry for over fifty years. Similar decontamination procedures would be necessary for open soil and park space contaminated with anthrax spore.

Buildings with operating fresh air intakes of the heating, ventilation and air-conditioning (HVAC) system must be assumed to be contaminated if within the estimated plume of an anthrax spore release. All ductwork, interior rooms, air filters and related HVAC system machinery would have to be disinfected or disposed of to prevent the spread of spores.


More from source: *The Threat of Deliberate Disease in the 21st Century*

"…A would-be proliferator first needs to determine which micro-organisms would be suitable for a biological warfare program. Generically speaking, the following groups or classes of micro-organisms can cause disease:

Bacteria are single-cell organisms that cause such diseases as anthrax, plague, and tularemia. Bacteria vary greatly in their level of lethality and infectivity. Although many pathogenic bacteria are susceptible to antibiotic drugs, strains can be selected that are resistant to antibiotic and occur naturally. Bacteria can be readily grown in artificial media using facilities similar to those found in the brewery industry.

Viruses are 100 times smaller than bacteria and occur in large numbers in nature. Viruses can infect animals, crops, and humans. Among the disease-producing viruses are smallpox, Ebola, and Venezuelan equine encephalitis. Viruses must be grown on living tissue. They can mutate naturally or be genetically engineered to increase their effectiveness.

Rickettsiae are similar to bacteria in structure and form, but must be grown in living tissue. Diseases caused by rickettsiae include Q-fever, typhus, and Rocky Mountain spotted fever.

Fungi occur in great variety in nature. Relatively few species appear to have potential for deliberate use against humans, although many more could be used to destroy crops. Among the fungal pathogens that can cause hardship and famine are potato blight and cereal rust.

Toxins are the non-living products of micro-organisms (e.g., botulinum toxin and Staphylococcal enterotoxin B), of plants (e.g., ricin, from castor beans), or of living creatures (e.g., saxitoxin, from shellfish). Toxins can also be produced by chemical synthesis. Toxins, like chemical warfare agents, can only affect those exposed to the toxin and cannot produce transmissible diseases. Because they are non-living organisms, producing a large quantity of toxins requires more time than would be needed to make a similar quantity of other biological agents…..

A significant amount of work has already been conducted to determine what specific micro-organisms within the above-named generic categories would be useful for military purposes. In 1942 to 1943, the British conducted trials on Gruinard Island off the northwest coast of Scotland to investigate the feasibility of biological warfare.15 Great Britain developed a retaliatory capability to kill German cattle by delivering linseed meal cakes laced with anthrax through the flare chutes of aircraft. Approximately 5 million anthrax-spiked cattle cakes—about three centimeters in diameter and a couple of centimeters thick—were stockpiled….."

From the Downside Legacy:

WorldNetDaily 7/26/99 "...The government has announced that it "requires a new smallpox vaccine to deal with the consequences if smallpox were used as a terrorist weapon against the civilian population." That announcement, via the Commerce Daily Bulletin, was the first time the government has asked for smallpox vaccine to be manufactured in over 26 years. The virus is supposed to have been officially eradicated from the face of the earth in 1972, but few believe that it was. There have long been reports that some countries and terrorist organizations have secret smallpox samples and have been developing the virus as a bio-weapon. ... According to the articles' writer, Richard Preston (author of the best-selling "The Hot Zone," about the deadly African Ebola virus) the U.S. government has a classified list of over 11 nations or groups suspected of either already having a secret stockpile of smallpox, or of trying to steal, or buy one. This list includes Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Israel, North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Cuba and Serbia. Also suspected are the terrorist organization of Osama bin Laden and the Aum Shinrikyo sect of Japan which released nerve gas in a Tokyo subway in 1995. ... "

http://www.chemistry.vt.edu/chem-dept/helm/2514/project/sarin/sarin.html "…. Sarin is extremely toxic, the lethal dose for humans may be as low as 0.01mg/kg. Sarin acts as a cholinesterase inhibitor which prevents nerve synapses from operating properly. Symptoms of sarin poisoning include difficulty in breathing, drooling, excessive sweating, nausea, vomiting, cramps, involuntary defecation and urination, twitching, jerking, staggering, headache, confusion, drowsiness, coma, convulsion and dimness of vision……In order to counteract the affects of sarin, immediate decontamination of the smallest drop is essential. …….Addition of alkaline solution accelerates decomposition. Also effective is a rise in temperature and addition of a catalyst (e.g. hypochlorite from bleaching powder). An area exposed to Sarin will decontaminate itself within a few days….."

http://cns.miis.edu/research/cbw/response.htm Agency Structures for Terrorism Response

http://www.infowar.com/index.shtml?http://www.infowar.com/WMD/wmd_052898a_j.html-ssi New York Times 5/26/98 Sheryl WuDunn, Judith Miller, and William J. Broad "…..In repeated germ attacks in the early 1990s, an obscure Japanese cult tried to kill millions of people throughout Tokyo, and, a cultist has now testified, at nearby U.S. bases where thousands of service people and their families live. The biological strikes were not detected at the time, and their significance has only recently become clear to Japanese officials still investigating the cult's activities…….. As far as is known, there were no deaths. But a New York Times examination of court testimony and confessions of the cult's members, as well as interviews with Japanese and U.S. officials, show that its germ attacks were far more numerous than previously known. Hoping to ignite an apocalyptic war, the group sprayed pestilential microbes and germ toxins from rooftops and convoys of trucks. Its members have testified that the targets included the Japanese Legislature, the Imperial Palace, the surrounding city and the U.S. base at Yokosuka, which is headquarters of the Navy's 7th Fleet. That little-noticed testimony marks the first time a germ terrorist has ever told of assaulting any part of the U.S. government……"

http://www.infowar.com/index.shtml?http://www.infowar.com/WMD/wmd_052898a_j.html-ssi "….. "There's no consistency," Milton Leitenberg, a biologist at the University of Maryland who studies germ terrorism, said in an interview. "Even for pros, some batches kill, others don't." ….. Hundreds of different strains of botulinum are found in nature, and the potency of their toxins varies widely, experts say. Type A toxin is the strongest. Even strains that make the same toxin do so in differing amounts. The U.S. germ program, decades ago, seized on the so-called Hall strain because it made huge quantities of the A toxin. Experts say the exceptionally deadly strain is almost impossible to find…….To get anthrax, Japanese authorities revealed, Endo turned to a cult member who had a medical license and could obtain the germs without raising questions. They now suspect the microbes came from Tsukuba University, which is part of a major science complex northeast of Tokyo. …..In interviews, Japanese authorities revealed that the main impediment was deficiencies in the anthrax itself, saying Endo reported that it turned out to be a vaccine strain -- in other words, relatively harmless. Both U.S. and Japanese experts said that the anthrax, whatever its exact form, was clearly not Vollum 1B -- one of the deadliest of dozens of anthrax strains and the one often preferred for biological warfare…….In the aftermath of the arrests, Japanese and U.S. officials found wide evidence that the cult had been trying to expand its germ arsenal. Traveling to Zaire, ostensibly to lend medical aid, cult members had even apparently tried to obtain the highly contagious Ebola virus, which causes profuse bleeding and high fevers that are usually fatal. …….Senate investigators obtained a 41-minute video of one building's interior. It was a maze of lab gear, glassware and guru photos. A high-tech incubator for growing germs was the size of a towering refrigerator. ……"

http://www.infowar.com/index.shtml?http://www.infowar.com/WMD/wmd_052898a_j.html-ssi "…… William C. Patrick III, an expert who made U.S. biological weapons before President Nixon outlawed them nearly three decades ago, said restricting germ commerce was essential for world safety. A particular species of harmful microbe might come in dozens or even hundreds of subvarieties, Patrick said. Only one such strain might pose exceptional dangers of sickness and death…….For would-be terrorists, he added, "getting the most infectious and virulent culture for the seed stock is the greatest hurdle."….."

http://www.infowar.com/index.shtml?http://www.infowar.com/WMD/wmd_052898a_j.html-ssi "….. Today there are more than 1,500 microbe banks around the world, and they work hard to maintain the purity and accessibility of a million or so strains of disparate microorganisms, many deadly. The microbes are usually shipped in vials smaller than a finger. Hospitals order human pathogens to check the accuracy of diagnostic procedures, and companies use them to aid work on new medical treatments. Many nations have microbe banks. Typically they are at universities, government labs and private companies. The World Federation for Culture Collections, the largest such group, has some 400 members in 50 countries, including Bulgaria, Iran and Pakistan. Fifty-five federation members ship differing strains of anthrax, some for a fee, some free. …. Fearing that Iran and Iraq would use germ weapons in their war, U.S. policy makers cut off pathogen exports to the combatants. The Commerce Department acted on Feb. 23, 1989. A ban was declared on the shipment of dozens of pernicious microbes not only to Iran and Iraq but also to Libya and Syria, which were also suspected of trying to acquire germ weapons. "We knew we were sitting on a time bomb," said a federal official who helped set the policy……Raising the issue internationally, the United States asked its allies to impose analogous restrictions. But little happened until the 1991 Persian Gulf War, when coalition members came to fear that Baghdad was preparing attacks with germs that Washington had put into Iraqi hands years earlier……."

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/chemhar.htm Interview with Larry Wayne Harris
by David E. Kaplan Senior Editor, U.S. News & World Report 9/2/97 "…..USN: So you think we’ll see terrorist use of biochemical agents in the U.S.?
LWH: Heavens yes! It’s already happened. We’ve been experimented on by people in the U.S. for years. The government did it... There are super-rats. About 1989, the government took rats -- 100 from each big city -- and injected them with bubonic plague, to see how well it would start a plague. None of them would last long enough to become infectious. But the plan backfired.
USN: How hard is it to create biological weapons?
LWH: Not hard at all. I recovered anthrax, it took just ten days. I checked the newspapers and found the last outbreak in Ohio, it was in the 1950s. I found where the cows were buried and used a long prod to get a sample... It’s very deadly stuff. A single container of anthrax could cause within 48 hours 100,000 people dead. I also cultured yersinia intercolitica -- it’s like plague. You can do it table top. The only thing you need is a good microscope, an autoclave, an incubator... Let’s whip up some botulism -- that’s simple.
USN: Do you think others are doing similar things?
LWH: Of course they’re going to. That goes without saying... Biologicals are extremely easy and far more deadly than an atomic bomb. And microbiologists are the one group that posssess the largest number of their own personal private labs in their own homes than any other discipline out there.
USN: There’s a lot of material available on the Net on biochemical agents -- formulas, where to order recipe books, and so forth. How do you feel about that?
LWH: You haven’t seen anything yet. Wait ‘till you see what’s getting ready to go on the Net. The people I’m talking to... they’re going to post step-by-step instructions how to obtain anthrax, how to disperse it...
USN: Doesn’t that worry you?
LWH: Not at all. It’s deterence. If you know that everyone in the neighborhood has an atomic bomb, civility returns to the neighborhood very quickly.
USN: So, do you think your associates might use these weapons against the government?
LWH: If they arrest a bunch of our guys, they get a test tube in the mail... How many cities are you willing to lose before you back off? At what point do you say: ‘If these guys want to go off to the Northwest and have five stated declared to be their own free and independent country, let them do it?" …."

http://salonmagazine.com/news/1998/02/20news.html 2/20/1998 Jeff Stein "…. Larry Wayne Harris, arrested Wednesday in Las Vegas with a car full of suspected biological weapons, told an interviewer recently he'd been experimenting with a half dozen other toxins, including bubonic plague, and had made anthrax from a pit in the woods near Cleveland where previously infected cows had been buried 40 years ago. "You know how long it took me to isolate anthrax from the earth?" Harris said, according to a transcript given to Salon by a U.S. government intelligence agency. "Ten days. It took me 14 days to recover bubonic plague." Asked what else he'd been experimenting with, Harris said, "Brucellosis. Tularemia. Cholera. I mostly work with yersinia (bubonic plague virus). It's easy to isolate from cow droppings." …….Military and FBI officials are testing the suspected toxin at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada. …… Harris was on parole after a 1995 conviction for fraudulently trying to obtain botulism samples from a biotechnology firm in suburban Washington, D.C. He claimed that his actions were designed to warn Americans about the perils of biological warfare materials and how easy it is to obtain them. ……. "I hooked it up to a vacuum pump. I incubated it at 35 degrees overnight," he said, adding that, "you can spread this stuff with a commercial paint sprayer (and) use ... mounts outside older aircraft" to spray it over a city. "Within 48 hours, over 100,000 would be dead. If you have one-tenth of a millionth of a gram, that's enough to kill a person." ……… "My book is strictly about civil defense," he said. "I've talked with the casualty management team at the Pentagon. They tell me that it would take one year to recover from the loss of a million people."

 

How to Test the WMD Theory:

To test my theory, you might wish to ask yourself what YOU would do if - rolling the calendar back to 1993:

you were in a position of very high authority

you knew that Koresh and 6 other Davidians had obtained all the plans and material to build a weapon of mass destruction that was large and lethal enough to kill all biological life in Houston - millions.

you knew that massive deaths could or would occur worldwide if the technology fell into the wrong hands, i.e. terrorists or rogue governments

you knew Koresh was rewriting end-of-the-world prophecy and had a method to use the weapon in an effort to teach the world a lesson.

you knew the weapon was developed by the US (perhaps along with England) to render the need for a worldwide nuclear arsenal obsolete.

you knew, after trying and failing to take it and them on 2/28/93, that getting rid of the weapon and eliminating all the documentation, components and contaminants - would require annihilating 80 people including innocent children in fiery mop-up

you knew government covert agents' lives would be greatly at risk if the operation were made known.

you knew how the public and economy would react to the knowledge of these facts

Would you then consider it a matter of national security that the public could not handle and try to keep a lid on all of it by making cover stories, hiding evidence, secluding survivors and stonewalling, harassing and perhaps even injuring investigators?

Then, rolling the calendar forward - assuming you did all the above, how would you go about getting this information out to the public without violent reactions?!

As a further test, you may wish to see if any of these anomalies would not make sense under the WMD scenario:

The special operations contact and training of the ATF before the raid 2/28/93
the going ahead on 2/28/93 after they were found out
the execution style deaths of the 4 ATF agents/bodyguards
the concentration on the second floor in the 2/28/93 raid
the absence of ambulances on 2/28/93
the deputizing of the Texas Rangers
the special handling of the media
the Davidians wouldn't give up
the Koresh on site preoccupation with end-of-the-world prophecies even though wounded and under siege, when he could have done it on the outside or in prison
the absence of firefighting equipment on 4/19/93
the people not leaving the building despite the tear gas
the various states of decomposition of the bodies
the annihilation of virtually all occupants
the tanks continuing to batter the walls after the fire started
the delaying of the Texas Rangers from the scene while a body and door were removed
the limiting of ME Peerwani to just the cause of death (e.g. gunshot) and not the manner of death (e.g. suicide, homicide, accident) ...
the missing door
the liquefication of the remains
the bulldozing of the grounds
the special treatment of a "spill"
the firing of Sessions
the death of Foster
the offering up and then kid glove treatment of ATF/FBI people involved
the sentences of some survivors, the status of other survivors
the missing reference to the hole in the bunker and the ATF/special operations contacts in the official reports
the missing and misclassified evidence of military involvement
the actions of the attorneys and investigators, formal and informal
the survivors have not mentioned hearing any gunshots
the fact that we haven’t heard of anyone on 4/19/93 helping the Davidians wounded by gunfire
the fact that Caddell was satisfied to depose only 3 Delta Force members when film shows there were at least five on the scene 4/19/93

 

Additional Information from Questions and Answers:

Someone mentioned that Mt. Carmel did not have inside plumbing but did have a lot of expensive radio and computer equipment which seemed to be an odd priority; however, it just might be that the ham radio and computer equipment was the private property of some of the members.

That’s very true! They also had a photo lab which was odd. And as I recall the BATF diagram showed something like 7 PCs and 2 Macs in their computer room, which is also odd.

Some came out during the days before the siege. Is there no information from them? Since they are alive and witness to much that happened, it seems logical their information is the source for many of our questions.

I find this very curious indeed. As the civil trial moved forward, one suddenly confessed to shooting at the ATF agents that died, another offered evidence that the BDs started the fire, 2 relatives withdrew from the suit even though it could be quite lucrative, some have tried to gain legal ownership of the grounds. IMHO, it sounds like a lot of pressure is being applied behind the scenes – and at least some of the survivors may not be what they seem (plants perhaps?)

How can those involved be kept from telling their story?

As I mentioned there are many symptoms of pressure being applied not to mention the deaths (natural or otherwise) of Wilcher, Ghigliotti, Sheriff Harwell, Vince Foster, William Colby, Eddie Pack, Rev Roger Howard, Manual Howard, James Ray Dobbins – and the near deaths of Allard, Zegel ….

What has happened to Gordon Novel?

He is an investigator for Ramsey Clark, a Davidian plaintiff’s attorney. He was imprisoned during part of this – a condition that seems to frequent a lot of people with information about Waco (and Mena and the CIA.)

There is much to consider and wonder about; and how does one filter the particles of truth from the sediments diffusing, clouding the issues? Too many influences, too many half truths too many dead people who knew their part of the story, too many criss-cross involvements and "maybe" paranoid conspiracy theories.

Exactly!!! That’s what we are trying so hard to do here. Freepers put all the information on the table, look for supporting details, sift out the disinformation and misinformation!

Worst case scenerio is most all the speculation in all the multitude of directions somehow connects and is part of a gigantic hostile "shadow group" planned purpose.

That was the foundation thinking in Wilcher's report to Reno.

I've seen no sign that Koresh had access to the technology for manufacturing a nuke, though slipping one across Mexico's border is at least a possibility. Chemical weaponry is less efficient, and he had a ready-made source of a bio agent ready for the asking, but no such attack has since taken place, so he apparantly had no *wild card* or *dead man's switch* prearranged to discharge such a weapon if he was elimninated, a pretty shortsighted tactical and strategic blunder for an alleged WMD mastermind.

Perhaps it was to be a suicide mission? He did not seem to be concerned about physical death. The Justice report said According to one individual who left the compound during the standoff, there was never any plan to surrender on March 2. Instead, a number of individuals were to come outside with Koresh, who would be on the stretcher. After exiting, they would blow themselves up with some type of explosive device. Afterwards, all the remaining people inside would either be killed or would kill themselves. usdoj.gov/05publications/waco/wacotwo.html

I would like to see more of (if it exists) is: evidence of a Howell-CIA connection beyond just "Wilcher said so", speculation about where and when Howell hooked up with the CIA (or insert other mind-controlling agency if you wish :) and got the training to build a WMD (when he was in Israel?), that sort of thing. Seems like without that, the rest falls apart, because Koresh had to have learned how to build this thing/stuff somehow....

This theory does not hinge on the mind control assertions of Wilcher. But Wilcher obviously was onto something. He was the first to identify the Delta Force involvement (6.5 years before the media.) Therefore, I cannot just dismiss what he says out-of-hand that easily. He said he was not speaking with first hand knowledge but was representing a group of people who wanted to come forward. He was trying to cut a deal for them with Reno, thinking that she was not part of the group involved. His report is written like a legal brief, meandering through court cases and history trying to lead Reno to the same conclusion and next step. Wilcher was an attorney.

Wilcher said that Koresh was CIA and there were 6 others with him. He said they were a "cell" and there were other cells in other states. I have seen nothing to support it nor would I expect to find anything substantive to support the identification of any covert intelligence operation. It wouldn’t be logical to me.

What I do see about Koresh that makes me raise an eyebrow is his extensive traveling and recruitment, especially out of the country. The first red flag is how on earth could a drifter, a musician and handyman afford to do that? Another is his managing to attract 40 people from other countries to the compound – and their overstaying their own visas. That is the kind of activity I would expect to see from someone with intelligence connections. Also, the technical knowledge may not have been with Koresh but with one of the others.

In all the tapes of the phone calls betwen Koresch and the outside world there isn't a single warning regarding possible use of a deterrent device.

I’m very sure we do not have access to all the material recorded concerning the siege. There are numerous redactions in the Department of Justice reports and we have seen a history of omissions and lost evidence.

However, even with the evidence that is publicly disclosed, we see in Koresh’s letters to the FBI a reference to "the beast" and in his conversations such terms as "Woe to the bloody city." Koresh was preaching to the FBI continually from end time prophecies – and the origin of his belief was that he was the chosen executioner of final judgments.

Being the executioner of final judgments in his vision of prophesy, his agenda would not include deterrence.

Perhaps the WMD wasn't finished because some crucial ingredient(s) was(were) missing." - Maybe, maybe not. The key question is how the government would know that for a certainty.

On top of the exhaustive listening devices, the government had undercover agents in the compound and the Delta Force operatives also inflitrated. They also had UC-26 flyovers and most especially, the top secret robots.

Questions about whether the ATF had ambulances or phones in the initial raid:

http://www.wizardsofaz.com/waco/fatalflaw.html Congressional Hearings: "......Dan Maloney, KWTX-TV, Waco: We were sittin' there and ATF agent said "Newsman, newsman, call an ambulance, we need an ambulance." John got back into the car and just as he was reaching the car . . . a bullet came through the door jam. He dove into the car and made the phone call . . . And we had to physically make the phone call. And this is to my understanding that this is first time an ambulance had been called. This was well into the gun battle. For some reason they didn't have any communications, why would we have to call an ambulance? .....

James Cavanaugh, ATF Special Agent: Nobody was going to get us out. The McLennan County Sheriffs office, who always did a good job, in this case, could not get us out of this. We couldn't call 911; I mean we couldn't call anybody. .....

Bill McCollum, US Congress, Florida (R): Well it just seems interesting to me that they didn't even have telephones or communications to get that 911 communication back and forth, that Wayne Martin had from inside the compound for 20 minutes to try and stop the shooting. But at the same time they had fax machines, telephones and computers and were ready for whatever PR (public relations) they had that that was a mighty strange operation to say the least, it's certainly a fatal flaw, not to pun a word......."

Could you insert a sentence or two as to who this Byers fellow is and why he is important to Waco? Same request for the next paragraph, re Bell and Gordon.

Byers is important in showing that the ATF was used in the operation to shutdown dangerous weapons components in a populated area. The theory is that neither the intelligence community nor the military community can move on a civilian target on U.S. grounds - and therefore have a pattern of using agencies such as the BATF:

In Chuck Byers words, a 2/14/98 letter to the Chairman of the House Intelligence Oversight Committee "..... My specialized knowledge of ordinance, explosives and pyrotechnics may provide the missing insights needed to solve several major terrorist crimes. For 15 years my company ACCURACY SYSTEMS ORDINANCE CORPORATION, provided specialized explosive devices to law enforcement, the military, Special Forces and the Central Intelligence Agency..........As you read this letter Accuracy Systems' former munitions manufacturing facilities in New River, Arizona are under occupation of the BATF who moved onto the property Sept. 20, 1997 and have been occupying the facilities there at considerable expense to the tax payers ever since. Their intent from the start has been to "blow up" the explosives magazines and burn our former research and development workshop and its contents --- and in the process --- destroy certain evidence that can link U S aircraft bombings to the CIA, a former client of Accuracy Systems..... "

Bell is another instance where weapon(s) of mass destruction were being developed in a residential area, in his garage. Here's a bit more on Bell and probably a clue or so as to why he was being investigated:

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/971117/17weap.htm "......Jeff Gordon thought he had seen it all. A veteran IRS investigator, Gordon's job since 1988 had been to probe threats and assaults against his fellow agents. There was no shortage in recent years--stabbings, fires, mortar attacks, and big unexploded bombs outside IRS offices in Los Angeles and Reno, Nevada. But in the first months of this year, Gordon found himself working on the strangest case of his career. From an informant, he had learned of a Portland, Ore., man named James Dalton Bell. Bell owed some $30,000 in back taxes and served as a juror in a local "common law court." Dozens of these self-appointed tribunals have issued "fines" and even death sentences against public officials. Bell was also active in antigovernment forums on the Internet, where he had posted a dark scheme threatening murder of troublesome federal agents. Participants could send encrypted messages to each other, Bell proposed, offering donations to whoever "predicted" how long a targeted official would live. The winner, presumably the assassin, would be rewarded with electronic fund transfers from anonymous donors, he suggested. Gordon checked further. Bell, it turned out, was an electronics engineer at a nearby circuit board manufacturer. He was also an MIT-educated chemist who had been arrested eight years earlier for making methamphetamine, but pleaded guilty to a lesser charge. According to court records, Bell had once told a friend: "The first thing to remember is: Never make a chemist angry at you." ...... Investigators have found biochemical agents in the hands of political extremists, extortionists, murderers, and the mentally ill. U.S. News has learned that the FBI has 50 current investigations of individuals suspected of using or planning to use radiological, biological, or chemical agents. ...."

I read something about an attempt or effort to deal with this "spill" but can't recall how effective it was. Detail here would be great. And what on God's green earth was the United States government doing, dumping multiplied hundreds of gallons of diesel so close to a dwelling that housed scores of people? Has any explanation been offered? An inquiring mind wants to know.

Here are a few clues:

Freeper amom ".....From http://www.indirect.com/www/dhardy/TWC.JPEG "...it was cited that the primary areas of responsibility which would come under focus with relation to FBI assistance would be the environmental clean-up with relation to spillage of approximately 2,000 gallons of diesel fuel during clearing operations of the south side of the complex which took place on or about Sunday, March 21, 1993..." I don't know this has always just sort of stuck in my mind.

Published Book 1995 Dick Reavis Freeper rowdee reports ".... In the course of the siege, FBI rammed and spilled no less than two thousand gallons of diesel fuel, stored in tanks about sixty feet from the building. The Texas Water Commission later complained, and FBI accepted responsibility for the cleanup. 2,000 gallons spread in a one-inch layer will make a pool a hundred ten feet in diameter. The building--constructed of wood in a dry climate--became all the more flammable. (Strangely, there is no indication that the spill was mentioned to the government's fire experts....)

1/96 Expert Testimony Richard Sherrow "... External electrical power was turned off to the structure prior to the fire but a diesel generator of unknown capacity was present within the structure and had been known to be energized intermittently between February 28 and April 19, 1993.

It looks like they didn't want to Davidians to have the ability to create their own power. They had shut off electricity. Perhaps this is relevant to Freeper gwmoore's observations about refrigerated storage of WMD components?

Has a logical reason been given anywhere for why the fire at Mt. Carmel was so HUGE, other than the CS gas? When I saw Waco burning, I couldn't believe the fireball effect and the height of the fire. I've seen large buildings burn before, buildings that had chemicals in them. Never saw a fire like Waco.

Indeed! We conducted a Freeper research project on the Hole in the Bunker and the Fireball. The results are here: Hole in the Bunker and Fireball Research http://Alamo-Girl.com/03603.htm

Gunther Russbacher - request to include introductory background on him

He was Wilcher’s client in the RICO case, the person who lined up the others who wanted to come forward about Waco, and the source of a lot of Wilcher’s information. The background I’ve read on him indicates he had about 30 years in Naval Intelligence and CIA. He was allegedly the pilot in the October Surprise incident. He was in prison at the time of Wilcher’s death and since then has been alleged to have degrading mental capabilities.

Who filed the RICO case, and did it involve Wilcher?

Best I can tell, the RICO case involved Russbacher as plaintiff and Wilcher was plaintiff’s attorney. The judge, Parsons, allegedly died under mysterious circumstances and all documents and evidence went missing

What is "the black box that the CIA wanted the Rangers to retrieve"?

The "black box" was a Freeper remark made on the first entry in the "opinions" section below. Perhaps this might help:

http://www.kreative.net/carolmoore/waco-news-97.html
Graeme Craddock, who is now incarcerated in Louisiana for a 20 year term, was in charge of equipment at Mount Carmel during the siege. He has been writing about his experiences on April 19th, and the lies the FBI told about the Davidians that day. However, something he remembered recently from that day puzzles him--the nature of a box found in the back of the gymnasium before the fire that day. It was brought to him by another fire survivor who is not incarcerated. (Because the batteries were still working, he doubts it was dropped by the BATF agent who was in the gymnasium on February 28, 1993.)

Graeme would like help identifying the object from any of you familiar with equipment used by federal agencies or the military. He left it in the building when he escaped and has heard nothing about what, if any, remains were found after the fire.

Craddock describes a small plastic black box, approximately 2.5 by 2.5 by 3/4 inches. It has an FCC label. On the broad top are two red flashing devices and two nobs, an "on" and an "off." On the broad bottom is a hatch door for the two AAA batteries inside. On the narrow front side are a "frequency" dial and a "pulse width" dial.

He says this was not a "home made" but obviously a manufactured device. And it did not have a microphone, so it was not a surveillance device. Since he does not know if it was found before or after the tanks first crashed into the gym, he does not know if it was dropped from or fell out of a tank.

 

Freeper Opinions and Responses

You said Although the CIA's name keeps popping up where it should not (Colby, the FLIR tape, the black box that the CIA wanted the Rangers to retrieve), IMO the Company is just the usual whipping boy. I would bet on the military if "national security" is a factor

I couldn’t agree with you more on that one! The CIA has taken on the chin way too much IMHO. It seems to me that the military is squarely in the middle of this at the highest levels suggesting a real and present threat to national security. The extreme effort to conceal the military involvement after the fact – going so far as to not even mention the obvious in the official reports, is what first caused me to suspect that the motive was not evil as many suggest. Also, even though there may be some with evil motive – to pull this off would require the cooperation of a lot of regular patriotic grunts to accomplish a very bad thing. I don’t think they would have participated at all unless th